Hello dear community,
My wife and I, like many others, have the dream of owning our own home. We first contacted our mortgage bank to find out about the possible loan amount. After visiting a model home exhibition, we have had several appointments with prefab home companies over the past few weeks. In parallel, we read almost daily interesting and useful articles or websites on this topic online.
Since the statements and opinions from representatives and websites often contradict each other, we thought we’d ask the experts in this community 🙂.
About our building project:
- We want a single-family home with a granny flat (a two-family house is also possible).
The "main residence" should have 4 to 5 rooms on about 120 m² (1300 sq ft), and the granny flat should have 3 rooms spread over about 80 m² (860 sq ft).
- The plot is not yet secured – we wanted to first see if the project is feasible.
- The new build is planned for the Stuttgart area, within a radius of about 40 km (25 miles).
- Budget: total around 350,000 to a maximum of 500,000 €.
- Our standards are quite basic; we don’t need any "frills" – just four walls, a roof, a garage, and storage options (whether in a basement or a separate room does not matter).
The price-performance ratio should simply be right.
- Cost breakdown: land about 120,000 €, additional costs 40,000 €, garden 10,000 €, garage 7,000 €, kitchen 20,000 €. The remaining budget is planned for the house itself.
Now, our questions:
1. Is the project feasible within this budget? What amount should we otherwise expect for this size?
2. The classic topic: wood or masonry? We are generally open and unbiased toward both building materials and understand that each has advantages and disadvantages. In the meantime, we have been overwhelmed with many, sometimes contradictory, opinions and views.
a) Is it true, for example, that "wood houses" last three times longer than "masonry houses" and also offer better fire protection?
b) Is it true that sound insulation is significantly worse in "wood houses" compared to "masonry houses"?
c) One provider also said that a "wood house" is just as stable and "holds up just as well" as a "masonry house." Is that true?
d) What do you know about the resale value of the two building methods? We have read multiple times that you must expect up to a 40% loss in value when selling a "wood house."
e) Is it true that the two materials cost about the same at a comparable quality level?
f) Have you had good or bad experiences with either building material?
3. Are cheaper construction companies automatically of lower quality than more expensive ones? Do you know reputable and good-quality construction companies that also fit within our budget?
4. About KfW funding: this generally sounds very interesting.
a) What experiences have you had with this type of funding?
b) Is it easy to get if you meet the conditions described on the official website, or is there a common "catch" that one must watch out for?
5. Is our rough cost breakdown (see above) somewhat realistic?
6. What do you think about automatic ventilation systems? Are these recommended for both building types (wood/masonry), or have you had negative experiences with them?
Thank you very much in advance for your answers :0)!
We look forward to hearing from you...
My wife and I, like many others, have the dream of owning our own home. We first contacted our mortgage bank to find out about the possible loan amount. After visiting a model home exhibition, we have had several appointments with prefab home companies over the past few weeks. In parallel, we read almost daily interesting and useful articles or websites on this topic online.
Since the statements and opinions from representatives and websites often contradict each other, we thought we’d ask the experts in this community 🙂.
About our building project:
- We want a single-family home with a granny flat (a two-family house is also possible).
The "main residence" should have 4 to 5 rooms on about 120 m² (1300 sq ft), and the granny flat should have 3 rooms spread over about 80 m² (860 sq ft).
- The plot is not yet secured – we wanted to first see if the project is feasible.
- The new build is planned for the Stuttgart area, within a radius of about 40 km (25 miles).
- Budget: total around 350,000 to a maximum of 500,000 €.
- Our standards are quite basic; we don’t need any "frills" – just four walls, a roof, a garage, and storage options (whether in a basement or a separate room does not matter).
The price-performance ratio should simply be right.
- Cost breakdown: land about 120,000 €, additional costs 40,000 €, garden 10,000 €, garage 7,000 €, kitchen 20,000 €. The remaining budget is planned for the house itself.
Now, our questions:
1. Is the project feasible within this budget? What amount should we otherwise expect for this size?
2. The classic topic: wood or masonry? We are generally open and unbiased toward both building materials and understand that each has advantages and disadvantages. In the meantime, we have been overwhelmed with many, sometimes contradictory, opinions and views.
a) Is it true, for example, that "wood houses" last three times longer than "masonry houses" and also offer better fire protection?
b) Is it true that sound insulation is significantly worse in "wood houses" compared to "masonry houses"?
c) One provider also said that a "wood house" is just as stable and "holds up just as well" as a "masonry house." Is that true?
d) What do you know about the resale value of the two building methods? We have read multiple times that you must expect up to a 40% loss in value when selling a "wood house."
e) Is it true that the two materials cost about the same at a comparable quality level?
f) Have you had good or bad experiences with either building material?
3. Are cheaper construction companies automatically of lower quality than more expensive ones? Do you know reputable and good-quality construction companies that also fit within our budget?
4. About KfW funding: this generally sounds very interesting.
a) What experiences have you had with this type of funding?
b) Is it easy to get if you meet the conditions described on the official website, or is there a common "catch" that one must watch out for?
5. Is our rough cost breakdown (see above) somewhat realistic?
6. What do you think about automatic ventilation systems? Are these recommended for both building types (wood/masonry), or have you had negative experiences with them?
Thank you very much in advance for your answers :0)!
We look forward to hearing from you...
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Bauexperte26 Jul 2012 16:49Der Da schrieb:
About our building project:
- We want a single-family house with a granny flat (a two-family house is also an option).
The "main unit" should have 4-5 rooms with about 120 m² (1,292 sq ft) and the
granny flat 3 rooms spread over about 80 m² (860 sq ft).
- The plot is not yet secured – we wanted to first find out if the project is feasible.
- A new build is planned in the Stuttgart area, within a radius of about 40 km (25 miles).
- Budget: a total of approximately 350,000 to a maximum of 500,000 €.
- The requirements are quite basic; we don’t need any "bells and whistles" – four walls, a roof, garage and storage space (whether in the basement or a separate room doesn’t matter).
The price-performance ratio just has to be right.
- Cost breakdown: plot approximately 120,000 €, additional costs 40,000 €, garden 10,000 €, garage 7,000 €, kitchen 20,000 €. The rest of the budget is intended for the house itself.
Now to our questions:
1. Is the project at all feasible with this budget? What kind of amount should we expect in this
range otherwise?
In the Stuttgart area, it will be difficult to find a plot at your price. I know the area well and estimate land prices at around 300 €/m² (28 €/sq ft).
Does the 120,000 € already include all additional costs? For example, 5% property transfer tax, 3.57% real estate agent fees, 2% notary and land registry?
The budget for the garden is optimistic, but it can be completed later... I also include driveway and terrace in this.
A 7,000 € garage is possible if it’s a standard 3 x 6 m (10 x 20 ft) garage.
That would leave you with about 300,000 € for the house construction itself. Without a basement, I’d say that is doable. With a basement, which can easily cost 40,000 € or more, it will be tight.
A 400 m² (4,300 sq ft) plot “might” be quite small – more so for a two-family house, less so for a single-family with a granny flat. If the granny flat is 80 m² (860 sq ft), then there won’t be much space left for kitchen and living room on the ground floor of the main unit; so better commit to a two-family house or make the granny flat smaller.
Additional building costs of 35,000 € are realistic (if the plot does not require special foundation work) – however, this amount does not include painter works or floor coverings; external facilities and access paths are extra. Allocating 10,000 € for landscaping is reasonable – that can cover some trees and turf, which should suffice initially. For a terrace, budget about € 60.00 per square meter (approximately $6 per sq ft) and for access paths about € 55.00 per square meter.
A solidly constructed two-family house of the desired size is possible for around 300,000 € including a basement, but only compliant with basic energy-saving regulations. For KfW 70 standard (German energy efficiency), you would need to invest another good 25,000 € (insulation, additional technology). Extras such as electric roller shutters etc. should also be considered – so start from about 300,000 € for a house on a foundation slab.
A prefabricated garage 3 x 6 m (10 x 20 ft) can also be obtained for about 7,000 €, even with an electric sectional door. You will probably need to prove 4 parking spaces.
2. Classic topic: wood or brick/masonry? Generally, we are open and unbiased towards both building materials.
We understand that both have advantages and disadvantages.
In the meantime, we have been overwhelmed with many often contradictory opinions and views.
a) Is it true, for example, that "wooden houses" last three times longer than "brick houses" and also offer better fire protection?
Wood usually burns much better than brick 🙂 I would rate fire protection similarly for both, as fire-retardant materials have to be used anyway. But in the end, when there is a fire, every house suffers.
Regarding durability, nothing definite can be said; there are 30-year-old concrete or masonry buildings and well-maintained 100-year-old houses. It is always a matter of maintenance and care.
Our house supplier has been building timber frame houses for 60 years that are still standing today. The question is more whether one still wants to live in a house with today’s standards in 50 years? Do you know how technology will change? I think building houses for generations is no longer that worthwhile today... children usually tear it down and build something new anyway 🙂
All marketing talk aside – high-quality timber houses are not shorter-lived than their solid counterparts. And if a brick house burns, only the walls remain – whether these can be reused in a new build is questionable.
b) Is it true that sound insulation in "wooden houses" is significantly worse than in "brick houses"?
It depends on workmanship and quality.
No.
c) A supplier claimed that a "wooden house" is just as stable and "holds up" just as well as a "brick house". Is this correct?
Not those cheap California-style timber shacks, but a solid timber house certainly... Swedes and Norwegians build almost exclusively this way, so it can’t be that bad.
Yes.
d) What do you know about the resale value of the two building methods? We’ve read several times that when selling a "wooden house," one can expect up to a 40% loss in value.
There are true fortune tellers among sellers. If you plan to sell, build with brick, because prejudices against wood will not vanish quickly. In my opinion, the resale value is influenced mainly by the location of the property – especially in the Stuttgart area, where space is really scarce.
It largely depends on the supplier you choose. Generally, banks assign a lower lending value for prefab houses. When reselling, it’s just like with everything else: the market decides supply and demand.
e) Is it true that the two materials cost about the same for comparable quality standards?
Our talks have shown... yes. Those who build cheaply should not be surprised later.
A high-quality prefab or timber house is generally more expensive than a solidly built single-family house. It has to be, because the effort from production to construction is quite different.
3. Are cheaper builders automatically of lower quality than more expensive ones? Do you know reputable and high-quality builders who are still within our budget?
You always have to consider how and why they can offer a lower price. Either they pay their workers poorly, use the cheapest building materials, or the invoice is later inflated through "extra services" and excessive markups. Or it’s an insolvency model 🙂
Cheap is always relative. If a supplier undercuts others by more than 5,000 to 8,000 € substantially, you should be cautious. Because cheap is always in the end quite expensive.
5. Is our rough cost estimate (above) somewhat realistic?
Roughly, yes. We are building a prefab house without basement of about 140 m² (1,500 sq ft) for 215,000 € plus additional costs. A colleague of mine built a two-family house including a basement for about 330,000 €.
Yes.
6. What do you think about mechanical ventilation with heat recovery? Is this recommended for both building methods
(wood/brick), or have you had bad experiences with it?
I wouldn’t build without it... especially in heavily insulated solid construction, things are completely airtight. If ventilation is done incorrectly, mold is guaranteed regardless of the building method.
Financially and in terms of heating costs, these systems may not pay off, but they definitely improve living comfort. Costs are around 7,000 - 10,000 €.
I always recommend installing a ventilation system, especially if you choose a prefabricated house. All houses are built so tightly nowadays that they offer ideal conditions for mold. Even if the system may not amortize, it spares you from mold and provides generally pleasant indoor air quality.
my answers in blueRegarding the basement, I wouldn’t expect costs of just 40-50k for a two-family house... since the original poster probably wants about 120m² (1,292 sq ft) on the ground floor in the two-family house version, the floor area is correspondingly large! And only partially basementing it is not always much cheaper... costs can quickly reach 60-80k or more!
Hello Eni,
We are currently building in the Stuttgart area and also didn’t have a building plot at first. Our maximum budget was, as with you, 500,000 euros, and we still need that amount. A single-family house with 230m² (approximately 2,475 square feet) of living space (which is almost in line with your plans). An extra-long detached garage (solid construction; 8.5m (28 feet)) and a plot of 613m² (approximately 0.15 acres), a wood-burning stove, kitchen costing 25,000 euros.
We decided on a solid house (sand-limestone bricks with external insulation to KfW70 standard), but we did not use a KfW loan. The financing is through an insurance policy with a fixed interest rate for 30 years (you won’t get that with a bank, only through complex offers with follow-up financing via a home savings contract or similar, at least that was our experience).
Regarding your questions, you will get many different answers, so I will hold back on that ;-)
If you tell me where you want to build (a 40km (25 miles) radius around Stuttgart is quite large), I can give you a good contact if it roughly fits the location.
We are currently building in the Stuttgart area and also didn’t have a building plot at first. Our maximum budget was, as with you, 500,000 euros, and we still need that amount. A single-family house with 230m² (approximately 2,475 square feet) of living space (which is almost in line with your plans). An extra-long detached garage (solid construction; 8.5m (28 feet)) and a plot of 613m² (approximately 0.15 acres), a wood-burning stove, kitchen costing 25,000 euros.
We decided on a solid house (sand-limestone bricks with external insulation to KfW70 standard), but we did not use a KfW loan. The financing is through an insurance policy with a fixed interest rate for 30 years (you won’t get that with a bank, only through complex offers with follow-up financing via a home savings contract or similar, at least that was our experience).
Regarding your questions, you will get many different answers, so I will hold back on that ;-)
If you tell me where you want to build (a 40km (25 miles) radius around Stuttgart is quite large), I can give you a good contact if it roughly fits the location.
Thank you very much for the many (and detailed) responses! We are now a bit more confident about the project and will start looking for a suitable plot of land :o) – but we are still grateful for any advice!
@maeam: we are really open regarding the location; we both work in Stuttgart city. Good transport connections are important to us... I’ll send you a private message.
@maeam: we are really open regarding the location; we both work in Stuttgart city. Good transport connections are important to us... I’ll send you a private message.
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