Hello everyone,
after posting the question “extension or new build” in another thread yesterday, and already leaning toward a new build, I’m now trying to make a “plan” for what I actually need to do...
My problem is knowing what step to take first.
Of course, I first need to find out whether I can even finance the project.
For that, the bank advisor wants to see a cost estimate for the project so they can tell me if it’s financially feasible.
To create a reasonably accurate cost estimate, I need a building plan and quotes.
But I can only get those once the architect knows the plot and the other conditions.
However, I don’t have the plot yet, so I don’t know its costs or the conditions.
It’s a bit of a catch-22.
Intuitively, I would say I estimate the costs as accurately as possible. That only works with a lot of reading, calculating, and thinking. But how do I tell good advice from bad?
I can fairly well narrow down what the plot will cost. Real estate portals like Immowelt and others offer plenty of information to estimate these costs. With €120,000 including all fees (property transfer tax, notary, soil analysis), I should be safe here in our region (Saarland)—if anything, a bit on the low side.
The additional construction costs were already well outlined in a related thread here—I should be fine with €50,000, judging from a quick read of that thread (I plan to study it more thoroughly once I get started).
But how do I arrive at a price for the house? Prefabricated house suppliers offer attractive prices, but something is always off with the example plans. And every change adds cost. On top of that, there are many negative reports about these prefab houses. This actually makes me want to work with a local architect I know, who I would potentially entrust with the whole project and its supervision. On the other hand, I worry whether such a “small” architect is really the best choice for me, or whether, due to other projects, they might not devote as much attention to my project as I expect...
I’ve gotten a bit off-topic—but these questions are really pressing for me.
Back to the main point: Rules of thumb like X€ per square meter or Y€ per cubic meter only provide a rough guideline. When I include features like a granny flat, garage, and so on, I can’t seem to come up with a number I, as a complete layperson, can really “understand.”
If I calculate, say, 250m² (2700 sq ft) of living space at €2000 per m² (€185 per sq ft), I’m already at €500,000 excluding the plot, additional construction costs, or anything else. That sounds excessive for a detached house with a granny flat...
If I calculate based on a footprint of 10 × 14m (33 × 46 ft), two full floors (each 3m (10 ft) high), and a standard pitched roof (1.5m (5 ft) average height), I get 10 × 14 × (2 × 3 + 1.5) = 1050m³ (37,100 ft³) of enclosed volume, which, at €400 per m³ (€11 per ft³), comes to €420,000. That still sounds like a lot for a detached house with a granny flat, right?
Considering that a bathroom, at €25,000, is probably the “most expensive” room (I have an offer for the extension we once planned), I can’t imagine the house costing 20 times that amount!
I’m looking for someone, preferably several people, who can guide me step by step and show me how to approach this.
The more blogs, forums, and pages I read, the more confused I get. That’s why I’m creating this own thread here, hoping it will lead me to the goal—or at least show me the way...
Best regards,
Xorrhal & Family
after posting the question “extension or new build” in another thread yesterday, and already leaning toward a new build, I’m now trying to make a “plan” for what I actually need to do...
My problem is knowing what step to take first.
Of course, I first need to find out whether I can even finance the project.
For that, the bank advisor wants to see a cost estimate for the project so they can tell me if it’s financially feasible.
To create a reasonably accurate cost estimate, I need a building plan and quotes.
But I can only get those once the architect knows the plot and the other conditions.
However, I don’t have the plot yet, so I don’t know its costs or the conditions.
It’s a bit of a catch-22.
Intuitively, I would say I estimate the costs as accurately as possible. That only works with a lot of reading, calculating, and thinking. But how do I tell good advice from bad?
I can fairly well narrow down what the plot will cost. Real estate portals like Immowelt and others offer plenty of information to estimate these costs. With €120,000 including all fees (property transfer tax, notary, soil analysis), I should be safe here in our region (Saarland)—if anything, a bit on the low side.
The additional construction costs were already well outlined in a related thread here—I should be fine with €50,000, judging from a quick read of that thread (I plan to study it more thoroughly once I get started).
But how do I arrive at a price for the house? Prefabricated house suppliers offer attractive prices, but something is always off with the example plans. And every change adds cost. On top of that, there are many negative reports about these prefab houses. This actually makes me want to work with a local architect I know, who I would potentially entrust with the whole project and its supervision. On the other hand, I worry whether such a “small” architect is really the best choice for me, or whether, due to other projects, they might not devote as much attention to my project as I expect...
I’ve gotten a bit off-topic—but these questions are really pressing for me.
Back to the main point: Rules of thumb like X€ per square meter or Y€ per cubic meter only provide a rough guideline. When I include features like a granny flat, garage, and so on, I can’t seem to come up with a number I, as a complete layperson, can really “understand.”
If I calculate, say, 250m² (2700 sq ft) of living space at €2000 per m² (€185 per sq ft), I’m already at €500,000 excluding the plot, additional construction costs, or anything else. That sounds excessive for a detached house with a granny flat...
If I calculate based on a footprint of 10 × 14m (33 × 46 ft), two full floors (each 3m (10 ft) high), and a standard pitched roof (1.5m (5 ft) average height), I get 10 × 14 × (2 × 3 + 1.5) = 1050m³ (37,100 ft³) of enclosed volume, which, at €400 per m³ (€11 per ft³), comes to €420,000. That still sounds like a lot for a detached house with a granny flat, right?
Considering that a bathroom, at €25,000, is probably the “most expensive” room (I have an offer for the extension we once planned), I can’t imagine the house costing 20 times that amount!
I’m looking for someone, preferably several people, who can guide me step by step and show me how to approach this.
The more blogs, forums, and pages I read, the more confused I get. That’s why I’m creating this own thread here, hoping it will lead me to the goal—or at least show me the way...
Best regards,
Xorrhal & Family
kaho674 schrieb:
Would you be able to get €700,000 that easily? I often see prices per square meter around €1,800 to €2,000. These prices don’t include any luxury fixtures or complicated plots. I would base my expectations on that. If that doesn’t help you much, you could try the other way around: check what loan you could get based on your income and equity, and then choose the house size accordingly.No, I definitely wouldn’t be able to get €700,000. And I wouldn’t want to either.
We have a house that I would sell first — that should provide €100,000 in equity after paying off the existing mortgage and so on.
With funding from KfW and the child allowance I just mentioned, plus some family support (own labor, guarantees, financial help), I would have to reduce the loan to between €450,000 and €500,000 — that seems feasible to me without having to make major compromises.
For €500,000 over 30 years at 2.5% interest (which would need to be secured via a home savings contract or similar), a monthly payment of about €1,975 would be realistic, and I think that’s just about affordable. Although banks usually raise red flags at 40% of income... we would be close to 50%.
Xorrhal schrieb:
We are hoping for government subsidies from the KfW. Xorrhal schrieb:
We are basically counting on the announced child construction grant. I would try to plan the project without relying on such schemes. It’s a nice extra, but whether you build or not shouldn’t depend on it.
Neither of these will really relieve your costs. KfW subsidies are used for the measures you need to meet requirements, but you will never recover that money. Also, interest rates on the open market are often better than KfW loans.
It’s still unclear how the industry will react to construction financing, but it’s quite possible that prices will increase further because of this.
Zaba12 schrieb:
We have just under €5,300 without bonuses or commissions available, and I’m really worried about the amount I will have to borrow. It’s similar for us, and we have over €6,000 per month available.
@Xorrhal Try adding up your minimum 3 bathrooms, your heating system, your double electrical installation, etc., and you’ll quickly see where the money goes.
Xorrhal schrieb:
We are basically counting on the announced child homebuyer grant – but first it needs to be clear whether we qualify given our income. Currently, the limit is 70,000€ gross income – it’s uncertain whether child benefits and similar payments are included, and whether this is recalculated annually or only at the start of the financing... At the start, my wife probably won’t be working yet and will only earn close to 70,000€ after a few years. Right now, my gross income is about 55,000€ and hers is 5,400€ (from a 450€ mini-job).
We are also hoping for KfW subsidies.
Selling the house we currently own with a “profit” of 100,000€ would help a lot as well.
Theoretically, at least according to my household budget plan, this could be feasible.The house you’re talking about isn’t fully paid off yet, and you would be entering the process with 100,000€ in equity?
If so, I would seriously reconsider the whole thing.
Xorrhal schrieb:
a monthly installment of €1975 seems realistic, and I think it would just about be manageable. I consider that highly unrealistic. Or, how much would the parents' "rent" be?RobsonMKK schrieb:
I would try to handle this topic without relying on such arrangements. It’s a nice extra, but whether you build or not shouldn’t depend on it.
And neither option really relieves you. KfW funding is used for the measures you need to meet requirements, but you never fully recoup that money. Besides, interest rates on the open market are often better than KfW’s.
.I agree with Robson; currently, loans are not very attractive, which was somewhat different last year.
Zaba12 schrieb:
The house you’re talking about isn’t fully paid off yet, and you would be entering the process with 100,000€ of equity?
If so, I would seriously reconsider the whole thing.Yes... According to various sources, the house I own is currently worth around 280,000 to 300,000€ (310,000 to 330,000 USD), but it can no longer be extended or modified to meet our requirements.
In 2012, I took out a loan of 200,000€ (220,000 USD) for the house, and now, 5 years later, there’s about 170,000€ (187,000 USD) left to pay off.
Assuming I sell the house for 300,000€ (330,000 USD), pay off the 170,000€ (187,000 USD) remaining debt plus 20,000€ (22,000 USD) transaction costs, that would leave 100,000€ (110,000 USD) as equity for the new build.
A monthly payment of 2,000€ (2,200 USD) is manageable for us. We live modestly. I earn 13.5 monthly salaries per year, receive regular raises and bonuses, etc. For extras like holidays, we earn a bit of extra money on the side, and our parents also support us.