ᐅ New Construction in North Rhine-Westphalia: Status of Construction Costs and Skilled Trades in 2024

Created on: 21 Jan 2024 19:45
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StefanC
Hi, we are currently facing a tough decision – whether to build ourselves or not. Ideally, we would like to build our own home, but most of our friends and acquaintances advise against it. Their main concerns are the "uncertain" situation regarding building materials and the "shortage of skilled workers." None of them work in the construction industry, so their opinions should be taken with some caution. Since we also have little experience so far and the next step would be to consult an architect, we would like to hear your opinions. Is the situation really "that bad"? An architect should have good contacts with construction companies, and with proper planning, major delays should be largely avoidable. What do you think?
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jens.knoedel
24 Jan 2024 13:00
HungrigerHugo schrieb:

This subsidy forces one parent to stay at home and cook.
Why does one have to stay at home? Two Aldi cashiers could both work full-time within the income limits while the child is in daycare.
Or one works full-time, the other part-time. Or one full-time and the other not working at all.
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HungrigerHugo
24 Jan 2024 13:13
jens.knoedel schrieb:

Why does someone have to stay behind the stove? Two Aldi cashiers could work full-time within the income limits while the child is in daycare.
Or one works full-time, the other part-time. Or one full-time and the other not at all.

Two Aldi salespeople working full-time might earn around 70,000 euros (about 75,000 USD) gross. So it’s already tight, which is why, as you said, one is forced into part-time or has to stay home entirely. And then getting a loan becomes difficult as well.

All these low income limits are simply extremely discouraging and unfair. In the end, a household earning 80,000 to 100,000 euros (about 85,000 to 110,000 USD) per year ends up with the same house and financial burden as a household earning 60,000 euros (about 65,000 USD). Meanwhile, a family with the latter income is often close to needing social welfare or housing benefits.
This country is simply run down.
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jens.knoedel
24 Jan 2024 13:51
HungrigerHugo schrieb:

Two full-time Aldi employees would probably earn around 70,000 gross.

In average locations, about 65,000 together. That’s why I used the example – in Munich, of course, it’s significantly more with up to €25/hour (about $27/hour). So the example fits well. Support for low-income individuals. Targeted.
HungrigerHugo schrieb:

That’s where it gets tight, which is why, as you yourself say, one is forced to go part-time or stay at home entirely. And then the loan becomes tight as well.

No, I didn’t say that. I said that the income thresholds can be reached in three ways:
1. Two moderately earning partners working full-time (there are enough jobs like this in Germany to stay within the income limits)
2. One higher-earning partner full-time + one partner part-time
3. One higher-earning partner full-time + one partner staying at home

And how extreme is your claim that an annual income of 100,000 approaches eligibility for citizen’s allowance (Bürgergeld). What world do you live in? Is Hungry Hugo feeling blue today?
HungrigerHugo schrieb:

In the end, a household with an annual income of 80,000–100,000 has the same house and the same financial burden as a household earning 60,000.

With the same house and the same financial burden, however, the higher-earning household can spend 40,000 (minus taxes/contributions) more per year. Or easily afford a 1,000 monthly higher loan repayment to build a more ambitious house.

And anyone earning 100,000 per year does not need financial support. They can buy or build without it.
11ant24 Jan 2024 17:50
HungrigerHugo schrieb:

This subsidy forces one parent to stay in the kitchen. What was that again about equality?

For some funding requirements that might be true, but not for the principle of funding that favors family-friendly rather than spacious living space – which I personally find very positive. I also have different rates for clients aiming to “get out of renting” than for those who want to “go all out.”
Steve_M schrieb:

We took an architect’s design to a local general contractor who works exclusively with local companies. Everyone knows each other, and no one can afford to deliver poor work.

Nobody wants to be greeted at the next game by their bar team mates with the words “What crap are you building today?” [another ZwSm].
Steve_M schrieb:

We took an architect’s design to a local general contractor who works exclusively with local companies.

However, there is still a significant difference between going to a general contractor after or instead of a tender process – actually, two important differences:
1. When you request a service from the architect including the tender documentation, you filter out the “@Gerddieter warns” architects of the “design phases 1 to 4” group (where budget miscalculations accumulate);
2. Also for the general contractor, the tender winners are in a different quality league than those who go to the so-called fixed-price “smart” builders.
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