ᐅ New construction after the birth of triplets. Looking forward to your ideas.
Created on: 23 Sep 2018 21:07
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Hendrik M.
Hello everyone,
my name is Hendrik, and I lived with my small family in a cozy single-family home in Bad Nenndorf. However, last December our family suddenly grew by 3 boys. Unfortunately, our house is not suitable for 4 children. There is a new development area in our town, so we are now considering building a new house.
I haven’t been able to find many interesting floor plans online for houses with 7 rooms. Maybe you have some ideas?
A very important point for a new build is that the house shouldn’t be too large once the children have moved out. In other words, it would be great if you had ideas on how to make use of the unused living space in a way that still feels spacious.
At the moment, we are thinking along the following lines:
- Total size around 250sqm (2,690 sq ft)
- 4 children’s bedrooms, 1 guest room, sleeping room and living room
- 2 bathrooms with showers and 1 guest toilet
- Sauna in one of the bathrooms with a shower
- No basement, but enough storage space
- Currently preferred style is an urban villa (but then where do you store all your stuff if you have neither a basement nor an attic?)
- Living conservatory over 20sqm (215 sq ft)
- Double garage with an adjoining workshop
- Open kitchen connected to the living room
I would be really happy if anyone has ideas for a nice floor plan.
Unfortunately, with the triplets (now 9 months old) and their sister (3 years), we only have about half an hour per day to think about these matters, which is quite stressful for us. So I ask for your understanding if this request seems a bit unspecific to some of you.
Another option would be to extend our current house. An architect estimated around €2000 per sqm (note: do not translate currency, but consider for your understanding) and estimated the cost for a living conservatory (40sqm / 430 sq ft) to be about €80,000.
Where do you think we would end up with a new build as described above? Would €500,000 to €600,000 be realistic (excluding land, but including garage)?
Many thanks for your ideas,
Hendrik
my name is Hendrik, and I lived with my small family in a cozy single-family home in Bad Nenndorf. However, last December our family suddenly grew by 3 boys. Unfortunately, our house is not suitable for 4 children. There is a new development area in our town, so we are now considering building a new house.
I haven’t been able to find many interesting floor plans online for houses with 7 rooms. Maybe you have some ideas?
A very important point for a new build is that the house shouldn’t be too large once the children have moved out. In other words, it would be great if you had ideas on how to make use of the unused living space in a way that still feels spacious.
At the moment, we are thinking along the following lines:
- Total size around 250sqm (2,690 sq ft)
- 4 children’s bedrooms, 1 guest room, sleeping room and living room
- 2 bathrooms with showers and 1 guest toilet
- Sauna in one of the bathrooms with a shower
- No basement, but enough storage space
- Currently preferred style is an urban villa (but then where do you store all your stuff if you have neither a basement nor an attic?)
- Living conservatory over 20sqm (215 sq ft)
- Double garage with an adjoining workshop
- Open kitchen connected to the living room
I would be really happy if anyone has ideas for a nice floor plan.
Unfortunately, with the triplets (now 9 months old) and their sister (3 years), we only have about half an hour per day to think about these matters, which is quite stressful for us. So I ask for your understanding if this request seems a bit unspecific to some of you.
Another option would be to extend our current house. An architect estimated around €2000 per sqm (note: do not translate currency, but consider for your understanding) and estimated the cost for a living conservatory (40sqm / 430 sq ft) to be about €80,000.
Where do you think we would end up with a new build as described above? Would €500,000 to €600,000 be realistic (excluding land, but including garage)?
Many thanks for your ideas,
Hendrik
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Never. I would definitely choose the extension. Why, what does your crystal ball say about the plot ratio, floor space index, and building envelope (or eaves height, roof pitch) in this specific case?
You first need to know these parameters to determine whether they are sufficient.
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Hendrik M.25 Sep 2018 06:44Hello,
thank you for your opinions. I’m still surprised that the recommendation so clearly favors an extension.
I previously mentioned “throwing money away” and probably need to explain that in more detail.
My concerns about the extension are:
- For a living conservatory (winter garden), we would need to install a substantial steel beam afterward to open up our house to the conservatory. This wouldn’t be necessary with a new build, for example.
- Both the conservatory and the extension require new concrete slabs to be poured. This could be done right away with a new build.
And most importantly: a new house with 250 sqm (2700 sq ft) can create an elegant, coherent overall concept, which can (if needed) be resold relatively easily and well. It’s less of a makeshift solution, and I would expect that this would also have a positive effect on the resale value.
In other words, if I spend €800,000 (including the land) on a new build, I believe I could recoup that money when selling (say, after 20 years, when it might be too large without children). Looking at the extension now, if I consider €300,000 current value + €250,000 extension costs, I don’t think I could realistically expect €550,000; I’d have to accept a “discount due to the less polished solution.”
Of course, it’s clear that an extension can be integrated quite well, but to me it would still look like an extension…
Regarding the conditions, we could already build quite a large extension. We are allowed to seal a maximum of 400 sqm (4300 sq ft), and with the extension, we would reach 250 sqm (2700 sq ft) of sealed area. Our eaves height is limited to 4.5 m (15 ft), which unfortunately rules out the option of a cube-style design. Therefore, we would decide on a mono-pitched roof.
I am also working on some drawings, but with only 30 minutes per day available, it might still take 2–3 days.
I’ll get more involved and upload some additional information soon.
Thank you very much for your willingness to support us!
Hendrik M.
thank you for your opinions. I’m still surprised that the recommendation so clearly favors an extension.
I previously mentioned “throwing money away” and probably need to explain that in more detail.
My concerns about the extension are:
- For a living conservatory (winter garden), we would need to install a substantial steel beam afterward to open up our house to the conservatory. This wouldn’t be necessary with a new build, for example.
- Both the conservatory and the extension require new concrete slabs to be poured. This could be done right away with a new build.
And most importantly: a new house with 250 sqm (2700 sq ft) can create an elegant, coherent overall concept, which can (if needed) be resold relatively easily and well. It’s less of a makeshift solution, and I would expect that this would also have a positive effect on the resale value.
In other words, if I spend €800,000 (including the land) on a new build, I believe I could recoup that money when selling (say, after 20 years, when it might be too large without children). Looking at the extension now, if I consider €300,000 current value + €250,000 extension costs, I don’t think I could realistically expect €550,000; I’d have to accept a “discount due to the less polished solution.”
Of course, it’s clear that an extension can be integrated quite well, but to me it would still look like an extension…
Regarding the conditions, we could already build quite a large extension. We are allowed to seal a maximum of 400 sqm (4300 sq ft), and with the extension, we would reach 250 sqm (2700 sq ft) of sealed area. Our eaves height is limited to 4.5 m (15 ft), which unfortunately rules out the option of a cube-style design. Therefore, we would decide on a mono-pitched roof.
I am also working on some drawings, but with only 30 minutes per day available, it might still take 2–3 days.
I’ll get more involved and upload some additional information soon.
Thank you very much for your willingness to support us!
Hendrik M.
Please reconsider your views on extensions. I know several projects where an extension has actually added more value than it took away. A well-designed, carefully planned extension is not necessarily a makeshift solution.
I also wouldn’t insist on using this particular WWG system for an extension. The task should be entrusted to a competent architect. I believe that way the extension will be a solid, well-executed addition—not just a hastily thrown-together WWG (which no one really wants anymore). With a thoughtfully designed overall living concept, it could significantly increase the (purely hypothetical) resale value while keeping the total costs notably lower than those of a new build.
I also wouldn’t insist on using this particular WWG system for an extension. The task should be entrusted to a competent architect. I believe that way the extension will be a solid, well-executed addition—not just a hastily thrown-together WWG (which no one really wants anymore). With a thoughtfully designed overall living concept, it could significantly increase the (purely hypothetical) resale value while keeping the total costs notably lower than those of a new build.
A well-planned extension can also take future subdivision into account.
Understandably, you don’t have much time. With just 30 minutes a day, it’s not possible to plan a house, search for land, find a buyer for the old house, and manage the move.
I would advise against the conservatory and instead plan a beautiful, light-filled living space.
Understandably, you don’t have much time. With just 30 minutes a day, it’s not possible to plan a house, search for land, find a buyer for the old house, and manage the move.
I would advise against the conservatory and instead plan a beautiful, light-filled living space.
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Obstlerbaum25 Sep 2018 08:41Enlighten us: You mention an extension because of the children, but the top priority seems to be a large living conservatory. If it’s only about the latter, that will actually affect the resale value. The new owner will have to demolish it first. I remember these conservatories from the 1980s, and no one would build one again. In summer, they bring excessive heat into the house, and in winter, you end up dealing with condensation issues.
Regarding the mentioned lack of time, I’m right there with you. Spending 30 minutes a day and then building a new house? That only works if you have a construction company you can literally trust blindly.
Regarding the mentioned lack of time, I’m right there with you. Spending 30 minutes a day and then building a new house? That only works if you have a construction company you can literally trust blindly.
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