Hello everyone,
I have a quick question regarding my floor plan. The image is attached.
The issue, if I may call it that:
The room in front of the staircase (on the ground floor) feels a bit too large to me. From the first step to the exterior wall, it measures 1.57m (5.1 feet). My idea is to move the lower exterior wall slightly upward towards the stairs, but only the wall. Everything else should remain as is. I am aware of the consequences regarding the sizes of the other rooms. The utility room to the left can be smaller. The guest WC can also be made a bit narrower. The shower could be recessed upward into the guest room, possibly halfway—meaning half of the shower would be a niche within the guest room. This way, the guest WC becomes narrower.
Is it possible to move the exterior wall about 50cm (20 inches) upward? I think the main challenge might be the door opening. But wouldn’t 1.07m (3.5 feet) be enough to open the door? The door to the guest WC could also be shifted a few centimeters upward towards the guest room. I have seen floor plans with dimensions where there was only 1.00m (3.3 feet) between the exterior wall and the start of the stairs.
The house has 163m² (1,755 sq ft), and we want to downsize a bit. We see potential for savings here.
Note:
Of course, the upper floor will be slightly affected as well. The rooms there will just be a bit smaller and the walls shifted, but that is not a problem and has been taken into account.
What do you think?
I have a quick question regarding my floor plan. The image is attached.
The issue, if I may call it that:
The room in front of the staircase (on the ground floor) feels a bit too large to me. From the first step to the exterior wall, it measures 1.57m (5.1 feet). My idea is to move the lower exterior wall slightly upward towards the stairs, but only the wall. Everything else should remain as is. I am aware of the consequences regarding the sizes of the other rooms. The utility room to the left can be smaller. The guest WC can also be made a bit narrower. The shower could be recessed upward into the guest room, possibly halfway—meaning half of the shower would be a niche within the guest room. This way, the guest WC becomes narrower.
Is it possible to move the exterior wall about 50cm (20 inches) upward? I think the main challenge might be the door opening. But wouldn’t 1.07m (3.5 feet) be enough to open the door? The door to the guest WC could also be shifted a few centimeters upward towards the guest room. I have seen floor plans with dimensions where there was only 1.00m (3.3 feet) between the exterior wall and the start of the stairs.
The house has 163m² (1,755 sq ft), and we want to downsize a bit. We see potential for savings here.
Note:
Of course, the upper floor will be slightly affected as well. The rooms there will just be a bit smaller and the walls shifted, but that is not a problem and has been taken into account.
What do you think?
S
sauerpeter2 Sep 2016 16:41I understand the purpose of furnishing. But we decided to leave that out from the very beginning because:
1. The items we bring with us fit.
2. What’s the point if the furniture fits today, but in four months I want different pieces, then I would have to arrange the house accordingly.
Others might place a lot of value on this, but we do not.
After all, you don’t install an elevator just in case you might not be able to use the stairs when you’re older.
No offense intended, but everyone simply sees it differently.
1. The items we bring with us fit.
2. What’s the point if the furniture fits today, but in four months I want different pieces, then I would have to arrange the house accordingly.
Others might place a lot of value on this, but we do not.
After all, you don’t install an elevator just in case you might not be able to use the stairs when you’re older.
No offense intended, but everyone simply sees it differently.
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Doc.Schnaggls2 Sep 2016 16:52sauerpeter schrieb:
Why not? For me, it’s completely clear. Let’s take a fictional large table: 1 meter (3.3 feet) wide by 4 meters (13 feet) long. The length doesn’t really matter. If the door is 2 meters (6.6 feet) wide and the table is 1 meter (3.3 feet) wide, the table fits. Your concern will be the chair or chairs on both sides. Usually, people don’t sit chair to chair without some space in between. If you sit directly in front of the door and also on both sides, it will get tight. Right. But that won’t be the usual case. People will be sitting more or less right next to it.Sorry Thomas, but you’re really convincing yourself otherwise...
With a table that’s 1 meter (3.3 feet) wide, if it’s perfectly centered, you still have 50 centimeters (20 inches) of space on each side. The wall where the sliding door slides will have, roughly estimated, at least a thickness of 25 to 30 centimeters (10 to 12 inches). Add to that a minimum clearance of 10 centimeters (4 inches) between the wall and the nearest chair, and you already have a gap of half a meter (20 inches) between the people at the table.
Don’t you think that would look a bit awkward and, above all, be somewhat impractical?
Even when the table and the unoccupied chairs are there, let alone when the table is in use, you won’t be able to pass through the sliding door anymore.
To set half of the table in the living room, you’d have to carry the dishes from the kitchen into the hallway and from there into the living room.
That’s really not practical, is it?
Best regards,
Dirk
Jochen104 schrieb:
@ypg, shouldn't the picture showing the stair dimensions from @kbt09 be pinned somewhere here?
By the way, our straight staircase is 4.01 meters (13.16 feet) long.The stair image is already included in my pinned post at the top of the forum.
@sauerpeter
I understand very well that the furniture does not match your preferences. However, most architects furnish plans as a courtesy. The main reason is to avoid later claims that the space is not possible to furnish.
Your task, however, is to verify the dimensions, as the furniture is often shown in the template as miniatures.
We are not reading architectural plans for the first time, and standard as well as non-standard dimensions are not unfamiliar to us.
That means: place an 80 x 80 cm (32 x 32 inches) kitchen table in your kitchen, and you will be happy. If you host guests at a reasonable-sized table, you will not be able to walk around it (with the door closed).
If you move a dining table into the living area, but not where the architect placed it, it can also become cramped. Additionally, the side walls might cause some obstruction. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to place a long dining table there.
There are a few pieces of furniture drawn in the kitchen: if you say you want to arrange it differently, then I ask you, how?
The architect has drawn a small L-shaped kitchen unit, which uses up all the usable space.
I don’t care how you want it; I am just pointing out that, for example, a refrigerator and an oven in a tall cabinet cannot be accommodated in this large kitchen, because the space has about 5 meters (16 feet) of door openings.
I understand very well that the furniture does not match your preferences. However, most architects furnish plans as a courtesy. The main reason is to avoid later claims that the space is not possible to furnish.
Your task, however, is to verify the dimensions, as the furniture is often shown in the template as miniatures.
We are not reading architectural plans for the first time, and standard as well as non-standard dimensions are not unfamiliar to us.
That means: place an 80 x 80 cm (32 x 32 inches) kitchen table in your kitchen, and you will be happy. If you host guests at a reasonable-sized table, you will not be able to walk around it (with the door closed).
If you move a dining table into the living area, but not where the architect placed it, it can also become cramped. Additionally, the side walls might cause some obstruction. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to place a long dining table there.
There are a few pieces of furniture drawn in the kitchen: if you say you want to arrange it differently, then I ask you, how?
The architect has drawn a small L-shaped kitchen unit, which uses up all the usable space.
I don’t care how you want it; I am just pointing out that, for example, a refrigerator and an oven in a tall cabinet cannot be accommodated in this large kitchen, because the space has about 5 meters (16 feet) of door openings.
@kbt09 already mentioned it: grab paper and a pen, and sketch it out including your furniture.
Right now, the sofa is placed directly in front of your patio door, which you’ll probably want to avoid. But then you’ll need to find a spot for the TV furniture somewhere. In my opinion, the partition wall to the kitchen doesn’t fit well with this plan at the moment. However, you’ll only really see that once you’ve furnished the space. Also, try placing a dining table for six people—it should fit, as that might be a rare occasion for you, but when kids’ birthday parties happen, it could get tight. For each chair at the table, you should plan for a minimum depth of 70cm (28 inches) to allow movement behind it. Someone might want to get up without everyone else having to leave their seats.
The children’s room at the bottom right also seems quite narrow to me: if you go ahead with your plan to narrow the house, the desk will have to be opposite the bed (for example), which will make it tight, even though it’s currently listed as 16m² (172 sq ft).
A standard staircase in a single-family house should have dimensions of 19cm/26cm (7.5 inches/10 inches). Since this one is planned as enclosed, there isn’t even enough space for a shoe size 38 (EU) on it.
Edit: and try drawing the placeholder kitchen unit with your desired kitchen!
Right now, the sofa is placed directly in front of your patio door, which you’ll probably want to avoid. But then you’ll need to find a spot for the TV furniture somewhere. In my opinion, the partition wall to the kitchen doesn’t fit well with this plan at the moment. However, you’ll only really see that once you’ve furnished the space. Also, try placing a dining table for six people—it should fit, as that might be a rare occasion for you, but when kids’ birthday parties happen, it could get tight. For each chair at the table, you should plan for a minimum depth of 70cm (28 inches) to allow movement behind it. Someone might want to get up without everyone else having to leave their seats.
The children’s room at the bottom right also seems quite narrow to me: if you go ahead with your plan to narrow the house, the desk will have to be opposite the bed (for example), which will make it tight, even though it’s currently listed as 16m² (172 sq ft).
A standard staircase in a single-family house should have dimensions of 19cm/26cm (7.5 inches/10 inches). Since this one is planned as enclosed, there isn’t even enough space for a shoe size 38 (EU) on it.
Edit: and try drawing the placeholder kitchen unit with your desired kitchen!
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