Hello dear forum community,
we are almost finished with the planning of our project, but there is one issue that has concerned us from the start and that we haven’t been able to solve given the current floor plan layout.
I’ll try to keep it brief: We definitely want a built-in shower without a door in the ground floor bathroom (it doesn’t have to be fully walled up to the ceiling; it can also be half-open with, for example, glass extending up to the ceiling). Because of strict building regulations—or rather, regulations that are not favorable for our project—we get very little living space in the attic, so we had to give up on having the bedroom there. Therefore, the bedroom, dressing room, and master bathroom are all on the ground floor. Due to the somewhat limited square footage, we are unable to fit the shower in the bathroom the way we would like. Do you perhaps have any tips or ideas on how we could plan the shower a bit larger or longer within this floor plan so that we wouldn’t need a door for the shower? I was told that a doorless shower only makes sense from about 1.60m (5 ft 3 in) in length.
I’m deliberately not going into further detailed information about the project, the plot, etc., since this concerns only the bathroom. The bathroom is 12.66 m2 (136 sq ft), the dressing room is 9.09 m2 (98 sq ft), and the master bedroom is 15.31 m2 (165 sq ft).
For completeness, here are all three floors.
Thanks in advance for all helpful suggestions.
we are almost finished with the planning of our project, but there is one issue that has concerned us from the start and that we haven’t been able to solve given the current floor plan layout.
I’ll try to keep it brief: We definitely want a built-in shower without a door in the ground floor bathroom (it doesn’t have to be fully walled up to the ceiling; it can also be half-open with, for example, glass extending up to the ceiling). Because of strict building regulations—or rather, regulations that are not favorable for our project—we get very little living space in the attic, so we had to give up on having the bedroom there. Therefore, the bedroom, dressing room, and master bathroom are all on the ground floor. Due to the somewhat limited square footage, we are unable to fit the shower in the bathroom the way we would like. Do you perhaps have any tips or ideas on how we could plan the shower a bit larger or longer within this floor plan so that we wouldn’t need a door for the shower? I was told that a doorless shower only makes sense from about 1.60m (5 ft 3 in) in length.
I’m deliberately not going into further detailed information about the project, the plot, etc., since this concerns only the bathroom. The bathroom is 12.66 m2 (136 sq ft), the dressing room is 9.09 m2 (98 sq ft), and the master bedroom is 15.31 m2 (165 sq ft).
For completeness, here are all three floors.
Thanks in advance for all helpful suggestions.
J
j.bautsch15 Dec 2019 15:36I don’t think it’s bad at all, but a 1.7m (5 ft 7 in) bathtub would never make it into a new build for me. We have the same length now, and I always have to decide whether to keep my upper body in the water or my legs. It’s way too short, and I’m “only” 178cm (5 ft 10 in) tall. My husband, who is 195cm (6 ft 5 in), looks like he’s sitting in a tub meant for children...
Well then, I’ll give you a little hint, even though I (as explained at the beginning) chose not to include all the details in this exceptional case. I needed a tip for the bathroom and didn’t want to withhold our current solution from you, which we found through a few pictures on Instagram. The following data would not have been necessary for this:
- Plot size 825 m2 (8880 sq ft)
- Sloped site (entrance to basement from below, ground floor facing street/entrance to bedroom/kitchen)
- Site coverage = 206 m2 (2215 sq ft)
- Floor area ratio = 330 m2 (3552 sq ft)
- Building envelope (see attachment)
- Roof type = gable roof
- Floors = basement, ground floor, first floor --> 2 full stories permitted
- Occupants = 4 people (ages 31, 30, 3, 1)
- Room requirements = 2 basement rooms (hobby/office), 2 children’s bedrooms, 1 guest room
- Open kitchen
- Dining space for 8-10 people
- Fireplace = yes
- No balcony or roof terrace
- Large garage
- Additional wishes: pantry, walk-in closet, small children’s bathroom in attic
- Design by architect
- Price = €610,000 (move-in ready, including garage, excluding land and landscaping). Some extra costs will be added (recessed lighting throughout the house, attic/home area air conditioning, various small details). Final budget around €650,000.
- Price limit for the house only = €650,000. Total (excluding land) = €750,000*
*Note: €100,000 for terrace, yard, slope stabilization/leveling, pool
- Heating system: air-to-water heat pump
- No compromises possible (everything currently shown in the plans must be included)
- The design was developed together with the architect. It took about six months until we arrived at a result that suited us. Opinions and ideas from prefabricated house suppliers, as well as our own ideas prior to obtaining offers, were incorporated. Our current living situation was also considered.
The fundamental question (see post no. 1) was how we can realize the desired shower. I would also appreciate a follow-up regarding the bedroom. At the moment, we have a very small bedroom where the bed is immediately visible upon entering the room. Therefore, I don’t fully understand the criticism. More context is welcome, as well as suggestions for suitable solutions.
Best regards
- Plot size 825 m2 (8880 sq ft)
- Sloped site (entrance to basement from below, ground floor facing street/entrance to bedroom/kitchen)
- Site coverage = 206 m2 (2215 sq ft)
- Floor area ratio = 330 m2 (3552 sq ft)
- Building envelope (see attachment)
- Roof type = gable roof
- Floors = basement, ground floor, first floor --> 2 full stories permitted
- Occupants = 4 people (ages 31, 30, 3, 1)
- Room requirements = 2 basement rooms (hobby/office), 2 children’s bedrooms, 1 guest room
- Open kitchen
- Dining space for 8-10 people
- Fireplace = yes
- No balcony or roof terrace
- Large garage
- Additional wishes: pantry, walk-in closet, small children’s bathroom in attic
- Design by architect
- Price = €610,000 (move-in ready, including garage, excluding land and landscaping). Some extra costs will be added (recessed lighting throughout the house, attic/home area air conditioning, various small details). Final budget around €650,000.
- Price limit for the house only = €650,000. Total (excluding land) = €750,000*
*Note: €100,000 for terrace, yard, slope stabilization/leveling, pool
- Heating system: air-to-water heat pump
- No compromises possible (everything currently shown in the plans must be included)
- The design was developed together with the architect. It took about six months until we arrived at a result that suited us. Opinions and ideas from prefabricated house suppliers, as well as our own ideas prior to obtaining offers, were incorporated. Our current living situation was also considered.
The fundamental question (see post no. 1) was how we can realize the desired shower. I would also appreciate a follow-up regarding the bedroom. At the moment, we have a very small bedroom where the bed is immediately visible upon entering the room. Therefore, I don’t fully understand the criticism. More context is welcome, as well as suggestions for suitable solutions.
Best regards
It’s not about having the bed in view when you enter the room, but rather about practically lying in bed with your head right next to the door. This always feels much less comfortable than lying in bed and looking towards the door from there.
Therefore, position the headboard of the bed either to the left side of the room or even along the bottom side of the plan. On the wall with the headboard, there should either be no window or two rather narrow windows on each side of the bed. Having the headboard along the bottom side also has the advantage that there is plenty of space on both sides of the bed. A wider window could then be installed on the left side. Ideally, maintain at least 60 to 70 cm (24 to 28 inches) of distance from the partition wall to the dressing area.
If there is a bathtub, I would plan for more space there, and reduce the length of the shower accordingly. The passage near the washbasin looks very narrow.
I would swap the toilet and closet storage areas and avoid placing a large dividing wall between them.
I would adjust the sill height above the bathtub. A height of 150 cm (59 inches) is not ideal—if there is a window by the bathtub, it might even be designed so you can look out from the tub. Cleaning the window will be inconvenient regardless of its position.
Therefore, position the headboard of the bed either to the left side of the room or even along the bottom side of the plan. On the wall with the headboard, there should either be no window or two rather narrow windows on each side of the bed. Having the headboard along the bottom side also has the advantage that there is plenty of space on both sides of the bed. A wider window could then be installed on the left side. Ideally, maintain at least 60 to 70 cm (24 to 28 inches) of distance from the partition wall to the dressing area.
If there is a bathtub, I would plan for more space there, and reduce the length of the shower accordingly. The passage near the washbasin looks very narrow.
I would swap the toilet and closet storage areas and avoid placing a large dividing wall between them.
I would adjust the sill height above the bathtub. A height of 150 cm (59 inches) is not ideal—if there is a window by the bathtub, it might even be designed so you can look out from the tub. Cleaning the window will be inconvenient regardless of its position.
This looks quite awkward to me.
This narrow passage is rather poor:
Also, when entering the bathroom, you end up right at the bathtub. To avoid this, you have to almost make a 180° turn and squeeze through the narrow space.
The room dimensions are not indicated here either. Or can someone redraw the room based on the windowsill height and the bathtub width?
Having the bed placed like this is completely out of the question. I hope you have also planned electrical outlets on the other side so you can reposition it once you see it and realize this.
Additionally, I would suggest having the living room door open the other way around—just as a side note.
This narrow passage is rather poor:
Also, when entering the bathroom, you end up right at the bathtub. To avoid this, you have to almost make a 180° turn and squeeze through the narrow space.
The room dimensions are not indicated here either. Or can someone redraw the room based on the windowsill height and the bathtub width?
Having the bed placed like this is completely out of the question. I hope you have also planned electrical outlets on the other side so you can reposition it once you see it and realize this.
Additionally, I would suggest having the living room door open the other way around—just as a side note.
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