Hello everyone,
As we are currently looking into buying a kitchen, we are interested in the fairness of the asking prices. Our experience so far has been that price reductions of 25-50% off the initial prices have sometimes been offered.
To get a better idea of what constitutes a reasonable price for a kitchen, rather than focusing on "how much of a discount can I negotiate," I would like to see a list of your kitchen purchases:
Manufacturer:
Kitchen studio:
Initial price:
Final price:
I hope this discussion will help readers by sharing real experiences, leading to a fair interaction at the kitchen showroom, without either party feeling like they have been taken advantage of.
Best regards,
Sascha aus H
As we are currently looking into buying a kitchen, we are interested in the fairness of the asking prices. Our experience so far has been that price reductions of 25-50% off the initial prices have sometimes been offered.
To get a better idea of what constitutes a reasonable price for a kitchen, rather than focusing on "how much of a discount can I negotiate," I would like to see a list of your kitchen purchases:
Manufacturer:
Kitchen studio:
Initial price:
Final price:
I hope this discussion will help readers by sharing real experiences, leading to a fair interaction at the kitchen showroom, without either party feeling like they have been taken advantage of.
Best regards,
Sascha aus H
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chand19866 Dec 2017 16:34@Changeling
I also initially missed an important piece of information about the “empty” wall. Shame on me!
Still, I stand by my point: it can be done better. Even when I read your post #192 and take the suggestions seriously (angled corners), I see room for improvement.
For the current design, I find €9000 (about $9,800) reasonable – it mainly depends on the electrical appliances. This is how I would answer your key question. Buying appliances from a direct supplier saves a lot compared to the “recommended retail price” of the studios. For example, in my kitchen, which includes one oven with pyrolytic cleaning, an induction cooktop, a range hood, a Bosch refrigerator, and a Bosch dishwasher, the price difference was €1900 (about $2100) for identical appliances. Installation came at no extra cost, but for warranty claims in case of damage, we need to contact the store directly and cannot use the studio’s service. We were able to accept this due to the considerable savings.
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Regarding the kitchen layout:
Considering your requirements(!), I would still remove the tall cabinets from the corner between the windows and place them on the short wall to the left of the door leading to the utility room. The corner between the windows would then remain at countertop height, and the cooktop would move to the left of the single-window section.
If upper cabinets are missed, they can be placed where the range hood was previously located. Alternatively, if the spot is rarely used as a passage, you could even add one or two tall cabinets there.
If your preferred countertop height allows for a 6-level cabinet height system (e.g., 1-1-2-2 stacking), I would recommend a well-planned storage layout. With a 1-1-2-2 configuration, you can create enough storage that some cabinets become unnecessary, which also makes the space feel more open.
Additionally, it looks like your room could accommodate an over-depth countertop, providing extra storage space! If this results in completely eliminating a cabinet, it effectively means little to no additional cost.
The corner between the windows can remain angled if you like it that way .
My preferred corner solution is actually the zero corner approach: try to have no corners at all, and avoid corner-specific solutions. The space gained by corner solutions compared to dead corners is marginal, but they are impractical to use.
I also initially missed an important piece of information about the “empty” wall. Shame on me!
Still, I stand by my point: it can be done better. Even when I read your post #192 and take the suggestions seriously (angled corners), I see room for improvement.
For the current design, I find €9000 (about $9,800) reasonable – it mainly depends on the electrical appliances. This is how I would answer your key question. Buying appliances from a direct supplier saves a lot compared to the “recommended retail price” of the studios. For example, in my kitchen, which includes one oven with pyrolytic cleaning, an induction cooktop, a range hood, a Bosch refrigerator, and a Bosch dishwasher, the price difference was €1900 (about $2100) for identical appliances. Installation came at no extra cost, but for warranty claims in case of damage, we need to contact the store directly and cannot use the studio’s service. We were able to accept this due to the considerable savings.
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Regarding the kitchen layout:
Considering your requirements(!), I would still remove the tall cabinets from the corner between the windows and place them on the short wall to the left of the door leading to the utility room. The corner between the windows would then remain at countertop height, and the cooktop would move to the left of the single-window section.
If upper cabinets are missed, they can be placed where the range hood was previously located. Alternatively, if the spot is rarely used as a passage, you could even add one or two tall cabinets there.
If your preferred countertop height allows for a 6-level cabinet height system (e.g., 1-1-2-2 stacking), I would recommend a well-planned storage layout. With a 1-1-2-2 configuration, you can create enough storage that some cabinets become unnecessary, which also makes the space feel more open.
Additionally, it looks like your room could accommodate an over-depth countertop, providing extra storage space! If this results in completely eliminating a cabinet, it effectively means little to no additional cost.
The corner between the windows can remain angled if you like it that way .
My preferred corner solution is actually the zero corner approach: try to have no corners at all, and avoid corner-specific solutions. The space gained by corner solutions compared to dead corners is marginal, but they are impractical to use.
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Changeling6 Dec 2017 19:42Thank you very much for the many responses! I will sit down again and think it over. The price seems to be okay to slightly above the possible range for now. That is a good initial reference point.
The cabinet is planned like that, it just wasn’t available in the software. The wall cabinet is deep enough that you would actually need a stool to find anything at the back.
Caidori schrieb:
Hi,
why don’t you use a cabinet for the 3 wall cabinets in the corner like the one you drew, with a door at the front but no "dead corners" at the back?
Do you know what I mean?
That way you would have a bit more usable surface area there.
The cabinet is planned like that, it just wasn’t available in the software. The wall cabinet is deep enough that you would actually need a stool to find anything at the back.
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toxicmolotof7 Dec 2017 09:16Well, that’s no secret. If you assume a base price of 300 euros for a cabinet, it adds up quickly.
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daniels879 Dec 2017 11:10If I use common sense, it’s relatively easy to understand that a reputable company cannot simply offer a 50% discount. Nor 30%.
However, it is becoming increasingly common to invent astronomical list prices precisely for this purpose.
I come from a different industry, but we also have former regular customers who got caught up in some discount schemes. They 1. didn’t really pay less, 2. were poorly advised, and 3. often didn’t get what they actually wanted.
We always call it a learning cost or sustainable customer retention.
However, it is becoming increasingly common to invent astronomical list prices precisely for this purpose.
I come from a different industry, but we also have former regular customers who got caught up in some discount schemes. They 1. didn’t really pay less, 2. were poorly advised, and 3. often didn’t get what they actually wanted.
We always call it a learning cost or sustainable customer retention.
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