Bought a house, estimated the renovation budget plus 10-15% for inevitable extras, and we set aside 5000 EUR for the kitchen!!!!
That’s how it started... at first, I was in a bit of shock, but we still had time. First step: remove all the walls for a new layout—I need space...
Let’s start with the (according to the agent) move-in ready property. The small kitchen, just under 8 square meters (about 86 square feet), had its 1970s pass-through removed. The wall including the kitchen door is gone! The wall next to the cellar stairs is gone too! Actually, the entire slanted wall, nearly 7 meters (23 feet) high, removed completely...
The window had to go as well since we needed a different working height than the standard 90 cm (35 inches). New screed installed, we switched to underfloor heating, all electrical wiring and water pipes are new.
After almost six months, the realization slowly sank in: the kitchen budget will not exceed 5000 EUR, so we had to look for a used kitchen... something special, but very cheap.
The search criteria: within a 100 km (62 miles) radius, up to 1000 EUR, because I still want new appliances.








That’s how it started... at first, I was in a bit of shock, but we still had time. First step: remove all the walls for a new layout—I need space...
Let’s start with the (according to the agent) move-in ready property. The small kitchen, just under 8 square meters (about 86 square feet), had its 1970s pass-through removed. The wall including the kitchen door is gone! The wall next to the cellar stairs is gone too! Actually, the entire slanted wall, nearly 7 meters (23 feet) high, removed completely...
The window had to go as well since we needed a different working height than the standard 90 cm (35 inches). New screed installed, we switched to underfloor heating, all electrical wiring and water pipes are new.
After almost six months, the realization slowly sank in: the kitchen budget will not exceed 5000 EUR, so we had to look for a used kitchen... something special, but very cheap.
The search criteria: within a 100 km (62 miles) radius, up to 1000 EUR, because I still want new appliances.
Nida35a schrieb:
Kitchens are a cultural thing and like to be shown with the owner in action,
Bathrooms less so That definitely depends on the user(s) 😉
Or the viewer(s), depending xD
pagoni2020 schrieb:
Sitting in a Passat is probably not necessarily less comfortable than in a BMW. Original, you might think this will turn into another “who-has-the-longest-car thread.”
pagoni2020 schrieb:
USM-Haller pagoni2020 schrieb:
Rolf Benz pagoni2020 schrieb:
Bora Myrna_Loy schrieb:
Finn Juhl 😉
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pagoni20209 Jul 2021 22:12ypg schrieb:
Original, you’d think this is going to turn into another “who-has-the-longest—-car-thread”
😉 What a little bit of copy-pasting can do. You can even make a priest out to be a mass murderer if you carefully select words from his statements without providing the proper context. 😀
By the way, the statement that the huge marketing industry has ALL of us under its control, and that this, as I said, ALSO clearly affects the kitchen sector, was obviously meant as a friendly hint.
I didn’t take it as criticism, because it affects all of us, and if we actually believe we are not influenced, then we are even more so.
If marketing had no effect, billions wouldn’t be spent on it. It’s just that nowadays it’s so insidious that we often perceive it as our own opinion; more than ever. If marketing didn’t work, the industry would save its money. I find it rather amusing to believe you are one of the few who sees through all this or are immune to it.
In South America, they advertised sweets on TV using overweight children, and the ads were so trivial that I almost found them insulting. Here with us, it doesn’t feel like that, but I am well aware that I am just as susceptible as anyone else.
For grandma, it happens on coach tours, with car purchases, house building, furniture buying—just in a different way. Unfortunately, I am not free from it either, even though I try to avoid it.
And @ypg, I learned most of the keywords and brand names related to building only here, mostly from people who are half my age and building for the first time. Don’t we all want to have the longest, biggest, most beautiful...something...? As long as we don’t devalue others, I think that’s perfectly fine.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
What a little bit of copy-pasting can do. You can even turn a priest into a mass murderer by selectively putting together words from his statements without providing the context. 😀 All good, it was fun :p
In August, I’m going mushroom picking in the forest instead of filtering brands 😉
Myrna_Loy schrieb:
I work in an office that exclusively uses USM. USM is the default modular furniture system for office interiors. I don’t need that kind of grid pattern in my apartment as well. That’s why my Finn Juhl sideboard won out.I have often seen this furniture in the rooms of "important people" and have always found it unattractive. But the fact that this stereotype was regularly furnished with it made clear that it must be expensive. And a certain clientele must know it’s expensive, otherwise it doesn’t have the desired effect.
However, this effect exists elsewhere too, not just with furniture. I have met (young) consultants who left the label on the sleeve of their jackets. Otherwise, no one would know their suit is from Boss (or somewhere else)… quite embarrassing. This kind of showing off really puts me off.
With clothing, it’s even more extreme. There are social groups where it doesn't matter if an item looks good, as long as the brand is currently popular (and expensive). YouTube is full of that ("how expensive is your outfit").
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pagoni202011 Jul 2021 12:15guckuck2 schrieb:
But this effect also occurs elsewhere, not just with furniture.I think that’s what @hampshire meant with the term “pause,” to avoid being taken over by a deliberately created trend and eventually mistaking it for your own opinion. The way opinion formation and influence works so insidiously today is being widely discussed in many ways right now. However, to almost categorically exclude the topic of kitchen purchases from this is, in my opinion, at least an indication that the marketing machine has done an excellent job here — especially when the marketing becomes so subtle that it is no longer perceived. Why wouldn’t these multi-billion-dollar investments in such mechanisms also work in the kitchen sector? Of course, they do, just like in other areas, whether we admit it or not!
Still, I completely understand if someone likes a great kitchen, just as much as a bed, sofa, lamp, tool, or garden furniture, etc. Honestly, I don’t care and wouldn’t feel inferior just because I don’t have those things. Otherwise, I would have been depressed years ago by all these sharply dressed people, since the exaggerated topic of fashion has always passed me by almost unnoticed.
Regarding my beloved USM shelves, I don’t feel personally addressed here, because I don’t belong to the higher social class in terms of income here in the forum, nor do I have visitors who would be impressed by my furniture. But I do understand that not everyone likes everything; we really like our current furnishings.
Unfortunately, things have become as you describe today, with the silly showiness through clothing, cars, etc. Ultimately, though, I wouldn’t want to tie that to a brand of a piece of furniture or a car, but rather to the HOW and WHY of the person involved. At the same time, one should also question why it bothers you when another person flaunts something like that.
Maybe it’s age-related, but I find such things amusing because it would be far too exhausting for me personally. Such compulsions to show off a little to boost oneself (and everyone should first look within themselves) are not just about USM shelves or blazers. It starts with the silly bragging about one’s children (an unfortunately widespread and downright ridiculous phenomenon), the casual mention of one’s job title, selecting the very special barbecue ingredients, or the rare dog breed (in the past it was tennis and golf) … simply everywhere; for children, it’s the taller Lego tower.
Here too, it’s always about the HOW and WHY — typical German question words according to Gerhard Polt. Nevertheless, I remain cautious about judging someone solely based on such things; my own experiences tell me that truly wealthy and educated people never brag — that’s mostly left to the substitutes on the bench. And if, like me, you’re not even on the substitute bench anymore, you don’t have to shuffle your feet … a liberating feeling!
Also, a few days ago, the incident involving the foolish footballer Dembele showed that even a dark-skinned person can be an extreme racist. The packaging alone usually tells us little about the actual content!
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