ᐅ KfW40+ with a basement inside or outside the thermal envelope?
Created on: 30 Dec 2020 11:05
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KalterKaffee
I want to build a KfW40+ prefabricated house with a basement, two full stories, measuring 12m by 8m (39ft by 26ft). The basement will house the technical equipment as well as a music room, both featuring underfloor heating and connected to a controlled ventilation system. The plot is flat.
Provider 1 suggested calculating the basement outside the thermal envelope as "better and more cost-effective," so additional insulation would be applied between the basement ceiling and the ground floor, as well as insulation under the music room.
Provider 2 recommended calculating the basement within the thermal envelope.
I am leaning towards provider 2 because including the basement within the thermal envelope makes more sense to me. This also saves the extra insulation between the basement and the ground floor.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance.
Provider 1 suggested calculating the basement outside the thermal envelope as "better and more cost-effective," so additional insulation would be applied between the basement ceiling and the ground floor, as well as insulation under the music room.
Provider 2 recommended calculating the basement within the thermal envelope.
I am leaning towards provider 2 because including the basement within the thermal envelope makes more sense to me. This also saves the extra insulation between the basement and the ground floor.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance.
KalterKaffee schrieb:
Ok, is there a big price difference between 200mm and 140mm? Just for completeness: it is technically possible to meet the U-value “target values” for KfW40 basement walls even with 140 mm (5.5 inches) XPS insulation, provided you use a particularly high-quality XPS board with a thermal conductivity of λD = 0.027 W/(m·K). I don’t really think your supplier has priced it that way, as these are about 50% more expensive per square meter than standard Styrodur & similar XPS boards, but you can check.
Otherwise, the difference between 140 mm (5.5 inches) and 200 mm (8 inches) is also about a 50% cost increase per square meter—assuming your supplier passes material costs directly. It should also be possible to install the 200 mm (8 inches) insulation in one layer, so labor costs should be the same.
Basement quote currently has 24 cm WU concrete.You should be careful here if relevant: you won’t be able to do flush-mounted electrical installations inside a 24 cm (9.5 inches) WU concrete wall because the required wall thicknesses can no longer be maintained. You need to consider if and how this affects you.
Ah, ok. I will talk to the basement builder about this. Thanks.It won’t get cheaper, though, since the insulation material is more expensive and the labor effort is slightly higher.
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KalterKaffee16 Apr 2024 10:10M a v o schrieb:
@KalterKaffee how was the construction done in the end? How thick was the insulation? Was everything within the thermal envelope? Which heating systems were installed and where?Hello, the basement was built within the thermal envelope, and I am very satisfied. 12cm (5 inches) insulation on the floor and 14cm (5.5 inches) on the walls. Yes, everything is inside the thermal envelope.
Heating: Tecalor THZ 504.
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