Hello!
We might have a (rather rare) chance locally in the bidding process to secure a well-located plot in a new development area (edge location, quiet, green views, strategic position for school access, affordable...).
I have attached a section of the development plan (no significant slope – only 0.5m (1.6 feet) incline along both axes).
The problem: We are a family of five with three children. In principle, we could build 2.5 stories (possibly with a basement if needed), but the single-family house building footprint is like a "cut-off semi-detached house" measuring 12m by 7m (39 feet by 23 feet).
We need three children’s bedrooms and a study. Preferably small (10m² (108 square feet)).
Question: Is this at all reasonable on such a small plot (or building footprint)? I’m asking to avoid convincing ourselves it works when it might not. The location is very good for us (the children could stay at their current schools). However, I have never seen a comparably narrow and tall single-family house in a new development. The only thing I found to get a rough visual idea was the Citline 2 model from Allkauf Haus (and that one is longer).
Many thanks!
Development plan / restrictions (see photo)
Plot size: 350m² (3,767 square feet)
Slope: No. 0.5m (1.6 feet) incline short axis, 0.5m (1.6 feet) incline long axis
Site coverage ratio: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.7
Building footprint, building line, and boundary: see plan, 12m x 7m (39 feet x 23 feet)
Number of floors: should be 2.5 or 2 with basement
Roof shape: gable (or hip) 30–42° (15–20°)
Orientation: NW to SE
Maximum height limits: 154/160 (presumably centimeters or regulations – please clarify)
Client requirements
Architectural style, roof shape, building type: urban villa, gable roof
Basement, floors: residential basement & attic conversion?
Number of occupants, ages: 5 (45, 45, 13, 11, 10 years)
Space needs on ground and upper floors: 70m² (750 square feet), 70m² (750 square feet) (+ additional space for 3 children's rooms in attic/basement)
Office: family use or home office? 1 office
We might have a (rather rare) chance locally in the bidding process to secure a well-located plot in a new development area (edge location, quiet, green views, strategic position for school access, affordable...).
I have attached a section of the development plan (no significant slope – only 0.5m (1.6 feet) incline along both axes).
The problem: We are a family of five with three children. In principle, we could build 2.5 stories (possibly with a basement if needed), but the single-family house building footprint is like a "cut-off semi-detached house" measuring 12m by 7m (39 feet by 23 feet).
We need three children’s bedrooms and a study. Preferably small (10m² (108 square feet)).
Question: Is this at all reasonable on such a small plot (or building footprint)? I’m asking to avoid convincing ourselves it works when it might not. The location is very good for us (the children could stay at their current schools). However, I have never seen a comparably narrow and tall single-family house in a new development. The only thing I found to get a rough visual idea was the Citline 2 model from Allkauf Haus (and that one is longer).
Many thanks!
Development plan / restrictions (see photo)
Plot size: 350m² (3,767 square feet)
Slope: No. 0.5m (1.6 feet) incline short axis, 0.5m (1.6 feet) incline long axis
Site coverage ratio: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.7
Building footprint, building line, and boundary: see plan, 12m x 7m (39 feet x 23 feet)
Number of floors: should be 2.5 or 2 with basement
Roof shape: gable (or hip) 30–42° (15–20°)
Orientation: NW to SE
Maximum height limits: 154/160 (presumably centimeters or regulations – please clarify)
Client requirements
Architectural style, roof shape, building type: urban villa, gable roof
Basement, floors: residential basement & attic conversion?
Number of occupants, ages: 5 (45, 45, 13, 11, 10 years)
Space needs on ground and upper floors: 70m² (750 square feet), 70m² (750 square feet) (+ additional space for 3 children's rooms in attic/basement)
Office: family use or home office? 1 office
ypg schrieb:
You are not allowed to (no joke).
Sorry, but you’re mixing up the options. If you don’t have a slope or have an insignificant one, you have to build your "house with a basement" high enough so that the basement can be used as a living area and floor level with the proper requirements (windows, ceiling height). But even then, a basement effectively becomes a full floor. And a bungalow turns into a house with barriers, because of steps at the door.
A separate apartment means one additional parking space.
The floor area ratio relates to the living area of full floors. Loft conversions are possible but don’t count if it’s not a full floor.
If you cleverly divide your 7 x 12 meters (23 x 39 feet) space, you can create a parents’ floor under a 30-degree roof pitch. Note that the ridge direction is prescribed. So, the roof will span over the 12 meters (39 feet). I assume you won’t necessarily need dormers since you have gable ends. Great – thanks! That definitely makes the west-facing plot more attractive – if only the $140,000 price difference weren’t there.
11ant schrieb:
No, no problem. Although some information is missing from the usage plan and especially the reference height, I don’t see any difficulties here. You can use the mentioned model as inspiration and adapt it accordingly or check out the “usual suspects” (see forum search for the term “usual suspects” Brale / Hildmann Traumhaus / Tecklenburg / Weisenburger / Wengerter / Werner), who build the required house type hundreds of times, often without a basement (floor plans can be found there, very similar to the Cityline 2, but with the requested gable roof parallel to the eaves, usually with a roof pitch of 35° or 38°). With three children, the parents sleep in the attic studio, and the storage room above the bathroom becomes their master bathroom. These models are often 12 to 12.5 m (39 to 41 feet) deep and in my opinion fully suitable as a “template” here. I see you as exactly the target group for such models. The “problem” thus has a wide range of solutions (even if they differ only marginally). According to the 11ant basement rule (see external “With or without basement: a rule as a decision-making tool”), a basement here is considered a luxury, but it certainly eases the building services and storage room situation. The Goalkeeper thread https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/reihenendhaus-mit-gue-in-eigenregie-bauen.31198/ should finally not be seen as a horror story about foolish row house construction, but as an example of a design that can also be used here as inspiration (which makes me happy despite strictly forbidden punctuation emoticons). Very good. That’s what I wanted to hear. Thanks!
11ant schrieb:
The Goalkeeper thread https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/reihenendhaus-mit-gue-in-eigenregie-bauen.31198/) can finally be used here not as a horror story about foolish townhouse construction, but as an example of a design that can also serve as inspiration here (which makes me happy despite strictly forbidden punctuation emoticons). Ok. Now that’s a thread (301 pages) — I have something to read over the holiday. 😉 (is that forbidden?)
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nordanney30 Sep 2024 14:10trose69 schrieb:
(is that prohibited?)Don’t worry, you’ll notice when the warning comes, and if it happens again, the ban will follow.
trose69 schrieb:
Ok. That’s quite a thread (301 pages) – I have plenty to read over the holiday. 😉 (Is that not allowed?) Well, punishment is due, if only for the clearly very sloppy research:
trose69 schrieb:
As I said: I hardly know anything comparable off the shelf (= the usual general contractors suspected online). But: we are still in the initial phase of our search. … because right there you will find exactly the required model everywhere presented as a bestseller. Although it is usually a classic semi-detached house (also called a duplex), one extra window on the side doesn’t hurt. By the way, the usual suspects are mostly general contractors, but the projects suitable as examples here are mostly (only) provided by building contractors.
trose69 schrieb:
I can imagine a semi-detached house fully built as a duplex over 3 floors. However, for such a narrow single house with the footprint of a semi-detached house, that was hard for me to imagine. I’m also not sure whether the garage might even have to be included in the gable – see point 1.5 of the development plan text below. I can well imagine this semi-detached house that appears free-standing, as it is probably just a distinct third twin to the semi-detached houses standing directly next door (in the development plan excerpt I see neither block lines nor clearly recognizable zoning designations). I agree with the assumption that the garage is practically a twin of the neighbor’s garage – and also that the roof pitches of the main roofs must be adopted and coordinated with the neighbors of the adjacent duplex. This is usually the case in projects by the usual suspects as well, so you will be able to visit dozens of examples of actual implementations. And now you really have to read the entire Goalkeeper thread. I had hoped that finally someone could just pick out the successful house design. Sorry @goalkeeper.
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nordanney30 Sep 2024 14:30trose69 schrieb:
Glad to hear that. I had calculated 12*7*2*0.85 = 143m2 (1538 sq ft) of interior space for two floors. We would still need a finished attic—or a partial basement—for three children's bedrooms plus a study.You can find inspiration all over the internet. For example, a full upper floor (the entire attic used for sleeping/workspaces, with the ground floor as classic living/dining/utility rooms) on a 6x9m (20x30 ft) footprint. If you convert Bathroom 1 into a small study or a utility/heating room, you gain even more space on the upper and ground floors.
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