á Is the turnkey shell construction company in Pforzheim/Enzkreis/Bretten recommended?
Created on: 18 Feb 2020 13:46
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Hello Forum,
After reading through the posts for a few days as a guest, I have now registered to exchange ideas and ask questions that havenât been answered yet.
The member @arnonyme seems to have some experience in my region, but maybe elsewhere too: we want to build a solid single-family house in the northern Enzkreis area. The design plans are finished, the plot is secured, financing is arranged, and we have been requesting quotes from several well-known companies for over a year now. We are still looking for a recommended solid house builder or general contractor (GC) who is affordable and reliable.
Our experiences so far:
- Fermo Ludwigsburg: approximately âŹ120,000 (about $130,000) over our budget, but no proper offer was made, they apparently had no interest in a âstandard house.â Waiting time before construction starts about 1â1.5 years.
- Viebrockhaus: about âŹ70,000 (around $75,000) over budget, no actual offer either, just an estimate from the salesperson after reviewing plans and documents. Since we want to build with a gas heating system and it also seems too expensive â Viebrockhaus does not install gas â they are out.
- Schuckhardt Massivhaus Usingen: reasonably priced offer, around âŹ25,000 (roughly $27,000) under budget, but it seems they just subcontract to the lowest bidder. Google reviews are generally good. Because they are located quite far away and there are no direct reports of experience, they are not currently in consideration.
- Lipps Massivhaus Pforzheim: apparently a small local building supervisor, who outsources to partner companies and craftsmen. There are no reviews or experience reports. We have been waiting for a quote for months after a fairly good initial conversation but cannot reach them.
- Frank Tittel Wiernsheim: recommended against by acquaintances, said to be significantly too expensive.
- U-Haus: also advised against, as they only build their own aerated concrete system walls. Since we want monolithic Poroton or Liapor masonry, they are not suitable.
- Lechner Massivhaus: sales staff in Fellbach come across as arrogant. While they did provide an offer, the price was about âŹ80,000 (approximately $86,000) over budget with strange business practices. You have to travel 500km (about 310 miles) to Bavaria to discuss the final price in person with the managing director. A look into their financials shows an average company profit margin of about 20-25% annually (others 7-12%), which explains the prices. So that was dismissed.
- Schmid Bretten: family business, seems overloaded. Good initial talk, but it takes ages for the offer because their also overloaded subcontractors have to prepare their bids before a total price can be calculated. When we will get feedback is still uncertain.
- Bauer Engelsbrand: family business, very friendly advice from the junior boss. The first offer, however, took 3 months after repeated reminders. Several things were wrong or missing. The revision took another 2.5 months and was suddenly âŹ50,000 (about $54,000) more expensive but roughly within budget. Unfortunately, it still did not match our requests precisely, though everything was confirmed verbally. After requesting another revision to finalize the contract, nothing came despite promises. Calls were ignored and the matter was dropped. A friend who built with them called them a âsleeping pillâ because the construction took over 2 years despite a promised 10 months.
- DĂŒrr Massivhaus: used to be a Town & Country representative, now their own sales. Very nice salesperson but less technically knowledgeable. We did get an offer but not as requested (e.g., no solid ceiling above the upper floor â they said, âyou donât need thatâ). After pleading, the offer was revised, but items DĂŒrr doesnât like to install were extremely overpriced and some details were verbal only. To get more binding terms, they require signing a construction contract first, then details could be discussed during planning. The company also insists on a bank guarantee from customers despite financing approval and proof of liquidity, which I havenât heard from others. Price-wise, itâs within budget if you exclude the things DĂŒrr doesnât want to install. After some negative reviews, our gut feeling didnât support them.
- Town & Country Akoma: great sales consultant, but they could not provide our requested house plan and only offered a Town & Country standard house variant. This was done, and an offer was created, but it was then âŹ40,000 (about $43,000) over budget and no longer the requested house â smaller and with some unresolved open points. It seems very difficult to reach a satisfactory agreement there.
- HeinzFrey Bauunternehmung KĂ€mpfelbach: family business, very structured advice. The offer took 7 weeks but some trades were still estimated only. The total price was over budget by about âŹ50,000 (around $54,000). The biggest drawback was the wait until available capacities: construction could start earliest in 11 months, with a build time of about 14 months.
I hope my experiences provide others with an up-to-date insight. We also hope to start building our house soon. Tips and assessments are welcome!
After reading through the posts for a few days as a guest, I have now registered to exchange ideas and ask questions that havenât been answered yet.
The member @arnonyme seems to have some experience in my region, but maybe elsewhere too: we want to build a solid single-family house in the northern Enzkreis area. The design plans are finished, the plot is secured, financing is arranged, and we have been requesting quotes from several well-known companies for over a year now. We are still looking for a recommended solid house builder or general contractor (GC) who is affordable and reliable.
Our experiences so far:
- Fermo Ludwigsburg: approximately âŹ120,000 (about $130,000) over our budget, but no proper offer was made, they apparently had no interest in a âstandard house.â Waiting time before construction starts about 1â1.5 years.
- Viebrockhaus: about âŹ70,000 (around $75,000) over budget, no actual offer either, just an estimate from the salesperson after reviewing plans and documents. Since we want to build with a gas heating system and it also seems too expensive â Viebrockhaus does not install gas â they are out.
- Schuckhardt Massivhaus Usingen: reasonably priced offer, around âŹ25,000 (roughly $27,000) under budget, but it seems they just subcontract to the lowest bidder. Google reviews are generally good. Because they are located quite far away and there are no direct reports of experience, they are not currently in consideration.
- Lipps Massivhaus Pforzheim: apparently a small local building supervisor, who outsources to partner companies and craftsmen. There are no reviews or experience reports. We have been waiting for a quote for months after a fairly good initial conversation but cannot reach them.
- Frank Tittel Wiernsheim: recommended against by acquaintances, said to be significantly too expensive.
- U-Haus: also advised against, as they only build their own aerated concrete system walls. Since we want monolithic Poroton or Liapor masonry, they are not suitable.
- Lechner Massivhaus: sales staff in Fellbach come across as arrogant. While they did provide an offer, the price was about âŹ80,000 (approximately $86,000) over budget with strange business practices. You have to travel 500km (about 310 miles) to Bavaria to discuss the final price in person with the managing director. A look into their financials shows an average company profit margin of about 20-25% annually (others 7-12%), which explains the prices. So that was dismissed.
- Schmid Bretten: family business, seems overloaded. Good initial talk, but it takes ages for the offer because their also overloaded subcontractors have to prepare their bids before a total price can be calculated. When we will get feedback is still uncertain.
- Bauer Engelsbrand: family business, very friendly advice from the junior boss. The first offer, however, took 3 months after repeated reminders. Several things were wrong or missing. The revision took another 2.5 months and was suddenly âŹ50,000 (about $54,000) more expensive but roughly within budget. Unfortunately, it still did not match our requests precisely, though everything was confirmed verbally. After requesting another revision to finalize the contract, nothing came despite promises. Calls were ignored and the matter was dropped. A friend who built with them called them a âsleeping pillâ because the construction took over 2 years despite a promised 10 months.
- DĂŒrr Massivhaus: used to be a Town & Country representative, now their own sales. Very nice salesperson but less technically knowledgeable. We did get an offer but not as requested (e.g., no solid ceiling above the upper floor â they said, âyou donât need thatâ). After pleading, the offer was revised, but items DĂŒrr doesnât like to install were extremely overpriced and some details were verbal only. To get more binding terms, they require signing a construction contract first, then details could be discussed during planning. The company also insists on a bank guarantee from customers despite financing approval and proof of liquidity, which I havenât heard from others. Price-wise, itâs within budget if you exclude the things DĂŒrr doesnât want to install. After some negative reviews, our gut feeling didnât support them.
- Town & Country Akoma: great sales consultant, but they could not provide our requested house plan and only offered a Town & Country standard house variant. This was done, and an offer was created, but it was then âŹ40,000 (about $43,000) over budget and no longer the requested house â smaller and with some unresolved open points. It seems very difficult to reach a satisfactory agreement there.
- HeinzFrey Bauunternehmung KĂ€mpfelbach: family business, very structured advice. The offer took 7 weeks but some trades were still estimated only. The total price was over budget by about âŹ50,000 (around $54,000). The biggest drawback was the wait until available capacities: construction could start earliest in 11 months, with a build time of about 14 months.
I hope my experiences provide others with an up-to-date insight. We also hope to start building our house soon. Tips and assessments are welcome!
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Marcel529118 May 2020 08:33@sebisanu Construction has not started yet; the U-shaped house option is off the table for us. I first inquired with them in 2018, and even back then I didnât like their pressure tactics to get a signature.
Did you have to pay a significant surcharge during the selection process compared to the initial offer?
Did you have to pay a significant surcharge during the selection process compared to the initial offer?
Marcel5291 schrieb:
@sebisanu Construction has not started yet; U-Haus is off the table for us. I first inquired with them in 2018, and even back then I didnât like the pressure they put on signing quickly.
Did you have to pay a lot of extra costs during the selection process compared to the initial offer? Iâm very familiar with that kind of pressure, and it doesnât work at all. I donât understand why some companies still do it...
I never had that experience with U-Haus; quite the opposite. I spent 6 MONTHS going back and forth until everything was clear, and at no point was there any pressure, even though I made many changes and U-Haus didnât know if I would ultimately sign with them or not.
There are still some selections to be made, but costs are already adding up. Itâs hard to say in general because it always depends on whether you are fine with the standard options or how much âluxuryâ you want. We are currently at about âŹ15,000-20,000 (roughly $16,000-22,000) in extra costs, but I will be able to say more about that in the end...
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jastob92937 Nov 2021 22:45Hello @sebisanu,
how has your experience with U-Haus been so far? Is your house already completed?
Were there any hidden costs?
We are currently in the planning stage and have also decided on U-Haus.
Thanks in advance 🙂
how has your experience with U-Haus been so far? Is your house already completed?
Were there any hidden costs?
We are currently in the planning stage and have also decided on U-Haus.
Thanks in advance 🙂
jastob9293 schrieb:
Hello @sebisanu,
what has been your experience with U-Haus so far? Is your house already completed?
Were there any hidden costs?
We are currently in the planning stage and have also decided on U-Haus.
Thanks in advance 🙂 Then the matter is settled. It makes sense to conduct research before making a decision.