Is it really that much more expensive to build with an architect? Construction companies usually have one as well, so who is actually planning the house with us?
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Sebastian7915 Nov 2015 22:49@Grym:
Don’t talk such nonsense – a basement converted into living space doesn’t have large windows on all sides. Above all, I’d like to know how you can tell what my basement looks like just from that little picture.
No, our ceilings are only about 2.40 meters (7 ft 10 in) high – there must be millions of apartments out there with the same height...
It’s also funny how you just leave the basement out of the calculations – others would be happy if it were that easy.
And in the end, I’m in construction – you’re still stuck in your numbers world. So don’t tell me how construction costs should be.
Don’t talk such nonsense – a basement converted into living space doesn’t have large windows on all sides. Above all, I’d like to know how you can tell what my basement looks like just from that little picture.
No, our ceilings are only about 2.40 meters (7 ft 10 in) high – there must be millions of apartments out there with the same height...
It’s also funny how you just leave the basement out of the calculations – others would be happy if it were that easy.
And in the end, I’m in construction – you’re still stuck in your numbers world. So don’t tell me how construction costs should be.
The commonly quoted benchmark prices, whether 1,200 EUR/sqm, 1,500 EUR/sqm, or 2,000 EUR/sqm, refer to the above-ground living area including the concrete slab. There are hardly any cases where a true basement apartment is built, meaning a clear ceiling height of 2.50 meters (8 ft 2 in) plus an additional approximately 20 cm (8 inches) floor construction, underfloor heating, proper windows like those on the ground and upper floors, ventilation, the same number of sockets as on one of the above-ground floors, and so on. Many build an insulated, possibly even heated basement, but without the ceiling height and appropriate windows, in my opinion, this is not a real basement apartment. That is why some say they have converted a few rooms into basement living areas. This usually happens when the basement floor is exposed on one side because the building is on a slope. Something like this would be a basement apartment, at least a few rooms on one side:
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Sebastian7915 Nov 2015 23:00Sweetheart, I have ventilation in the basement, as well as underfloor heating, real windows, LAN, TV, power outlets, interior plaster, and a bathroom.
And by the just under 2.40 meters (7 ft 10 in), I mean clear height. You don’t need a 20 cm (8 inch) floor buildup, expert.
I really don’t care whether you call my basement a hole or living space – it’s there and certainly didn’t cost 80 grand. Exactly what it cost, I can’t tell you...
To me, your example isn’t a basement anymore...
And by the just under 2.40 meters (7 ft 10 in), I mean clear height. You don’t need a 20 cm (8 inch) floor buildup, expert.
I really don’t care whether you call my basement a hole or living space – it’s there and certainly didn’t cost 80 grand. Exactly what it cost, I can’t tell you...
To me, your example isn’t a basement anymore...
It didn’t cost 80 grand? So less than that? Then for the two above-ground floors, we’re easily looking at EUR/sqm well over 2000 EUR/sqm or even more.
(What kind of 80 grand are we talking about here anyway?)
You’re trying to prove that the architect is neither more expensive nor cheaper than the general contractor, but the limited information suggests otherwise.
(What kind of 80 grand are we talking about here anyway?)
You’re trying to prove that the architect is neither more expensive nor cheaper than the general contractor, but the limited information suggests otherwise.
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Sebastian7915 Nov 2015 23:07Definitely less – I wouldn’t have built it for 80. And you were the one who brought up that number...
If you clearly separate the basement from the calculation, then the upper floors will naturally be more expensive. But then you still don’t have a concrete slab (foundation). You can’t exactly break down what a basement actually costs...
I’m not trying to prove anything – you’re the one trying to convince me of something. I never wrote that building with an architect is cheaper – just read my first two posts in this thread. That’s where I shared MY opinion.
Oh, and just to shake up your worldview: a masonry and insulated double garage was also included in the costs – but of course not in the square meters. Unfortunately, I had included it in the calculations.
If you clearly separate the basement from the calculation, then the upper floors will naturally be more expensive. But then you still don’t have a concrete slab (foundation). You can’t exactly break down what a basement actually costs...
I’m not trying to prove anything – you’re the one trying to convince me of something. I never wrote that building with an architect is cheaper – just read my first two posts in this thread. That’s where I shared MY opinion.
Oh, and just to shake up your worldview: a masonry and insulated double garage was also included in the costs – but of course not in the square meters. Unfortunately, I had included it in the calculations.
250 × 1,600 = 400,000 EUR
Minus 70k (?) = 330,000 EUR
330,000 EUR / 167 sqm (1,797 sqft) = 1,976 EUR / sqm (183.5 USD/sqft) for the two above-ground floors.
Difference between 1,280 EUR / sqm (119 USD/sqft) and 1,976 EUR / sqm (183.5 USD/sqft) is about 700 EUR / sqm (65 USD/sqft), or approximately 117,000 EUR (about 127,000 USD) for the entire house.
So, you have excellent cost transparency and a breakdown by trade, but the prices are roughly xx percent higher.
Minus 70k (?) = 330,000 EUR
330,000 EUR / 167 sqm (1,797 sqft) = 1,976 EUR / sqm (183.5 USD/sqft) for the two above-ground floors.
Difference between 1,280 EUR / sqm (119 USD/sqft) and 1,976 EUR / sqm (183.5 USD/sqft) is about 700 EUR / sqm (65 USD/sqft), or approximately 117,000 EUR (about 127,000 USD) for the entire house.
So, you have excellent cost transparency and a breakdown by trade, but the prices are roughly xx percent higher.
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