ᐅ Installing a Siemens dishwasher in an Ikea Metod kitchen
Created on: 12 Feb 2015 21:19
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Sektionschef
Hello
I also want to install a Siemens dishwasher in my Metod kitchen, so I visited the Siemens showroom in Vienna yesterday for advice.
While I gained some insights, I am not entirely sure if the information from the Siemens consultant is accurate, so I wanted to share all the details here and open the topic for discussion. It would be great if others could also share their experiences.
Yesterday, after I told the consultant the cabinet height (800mm (31.5 inches)) and plinth height (80mm (3 inches)), he showed me a table that indicates whether appliances with heights of 81.5cm (normal) or 86.5cm (XXL) will fit into a particular niche height combined with a certain plinth height.
At the bottom in the legend you can see:
- white fields at 86.5 or light gray fields at 81.5: dishwasher fits directly
- dark gray fields: dishwasher fits only with the Vario hinge
- black fields: dishwasher fits only with the Siemens folding hinge (special accessory).
The table shows a white field at a niche height of 880mm (35 inches) and a plinth height of 80mm (3 inches). According to this, an XXL appliance should fit directly without Vario hinge, meaning the 800mm (31.5 inches) tall front panel can be mounted directly onto the dishwasher door (no additional aids needed).
The consultant said this table applies to all Siemens dishwashers with 60cm (24 inches) width, including fully integrated and semi-integrated models.
However, he also mentioned that even a 5mm (0.2 inch) deviation in the niche height, depending on how the feet of the Metod kitchen are adjusted, can cause problems.
Unfortunately, I only checked the dimensional drawings of the XXL models (86.5cm (34 inches)) without the Vario hinge on the Siemens website after I got home.
What caught my attention is:
The drawing lists the front height as 705–775mm (27.8–30.5 inches), but the table shows 705–800mm (27.8–31.5 inches), which is a difference of 25mm (1 inch)!
The minimum plinth height in the drawing is 90mm (3.5 inches), but the table shows 80mm (3 inches) for the XXL appliance (column 880).
So I wonder how it is possible that the column "880" with a plinth height starting at 80mm is marked white, indicating that every XXL model should fit without a Vario hinge?
Has anyone in this forum already reported that installing an XXL dishwasher without the Vario hinge and without extra supports is not possible?
I will definitely call the consultant to ask about this and point out the inconsistencies between the table and the dimensional drawing.
I’ll share any further findings here.
Best regards
Sektionschef
I also want to install a Siemens dishwasher in my Metod kitchen, so I visited the Siemens showroom in Vienna yesterday for advice.
While I gained some insights, I am not entirely sure if the information from the Siemens consultant is accurate, so I wanted to share all the details here and open the topic for discussion. It would be great if others could also share their experiences.
Yesterday, after I told the consultant the cabinet height (800mm (31.5 inches)) and plinth height (80mm (3 inches)), he showed me a table that indicates whether appliances with heights of 81.5cm (normal) or 86.5cm (XXL) will fit into a particular niche height combined with a certain plinth height.
At the bottom in the legend you can see:
- white fields at 86.5 or light gray fields at 81.5: dishwasher fits directly
- dark gray fields: dishwasher fits only with the Vario hinge
- black fields: dishwasher fits only with the Siemens folding hinge (special accessory).
The table shows a white field at a niche height of 880mm (35 inches) and a plinth height of 80mm (3 inches). According to this, an XXL appliance should fit directly without Vario hinge, meaning the 800mm (31.5 inches) tall front panel can be mounted directly onto the dishwasher door (no additional aids needed).
The consultant said this table applies to all Siemens dishwashers with 60cm (24 inches) width, including fully integrated and semi-integrated models.
However, he also mentioned that even a 5mm (0.2 inch) deviation in the niche height, depending on how the feet of the Metod kitchen are adjusted, can cause problems.
Unfortunately, I only checked the dimensional drawings of the XXL models (86.5cm (34 inches)) without the Vario hinge on the Siemens website after I got home.
What caught my attention is:
The drawing lists the front height as 705–775mm (27.8–30.5 inches), but the table shows 705–800mm (27.8–31.5 inches), which is a difference of 25mm (1 inch)!
The minimum plinth height in the drawing is 90mm (3.5 inches), but the table shows 80mm (3 inches) for the XXL appliance (column 880).
So I wonder how it is possible that the column "880" with a plinth height starting at 80mm is marked white, indicating that every XXL model should fit without a Vario hinge?
Has anyone in this forum already reported that installing an XXL dishwasher without the Vario hinge and without extra supports is not possible?
I will definitely call the consultant to ask about this and point out the inconsistencies between the table and the dimensional drawing.
I’ll share any further findings here.
Best regards
Sektionschef
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Coletrickle_78089 Apr 2015 22:25That won't work because when folding it open, there is only a few millimeters (inches) of clearance to the baseboard.
I initially wanted to do it that way too... but it gets too complicated. Just use a full front panel.
I initially wanted to do it that way too... but it gets too complicated. Just use a full front panel.
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IKEA-Experte9 Apr 2015 22:36If you can drill exactly at a right angle.
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EinrichtungsNiete9 Apr 2015 23:13Do you mean the base of the dishwasher or the kickboard?
If it’s the kickboard, it could be notched out, but the base sits so low that it probably wouldn’t be noticeable...
I didn’t really want an uninterrupted front since the entire base cabinets are divided 20-20-40, and I actually wanted to continue that line...
Besides, all the stuff is already here except for the appliances; I’m currently assembling it (or will continue over the weekend).
Ikea expert, thanks for the link!
Who needs the remaining 94 to 96 pieces?
Let’s see how I end up solving this...
If it’s the kickboard, it could be notched out, but the base sits so low that it probably wouldn’t be noticeable...
I didn’t really want an uninterrupted front since the entire base cabinets are divided 20-20-40, and I actually wanted to continue that line...
Besides, all the stuff is already here except for the appliances; I’m currently assembling it (or will continue over the weekend).
Ikea expert, thanks for the link!
Who needs the remaining 94 to 96 pieces?
Let’s see how I end up solving this...
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Sektionschef10 Apr 2015 08:20I used a full front panel for my installation, but I think it should also work if I don’t attach the plastic brackets—which need to be screwed onto the front panel—directly to the front. Instead, I would fix them to the front using spacers and slightly longer screws. This would increase the gap between the dishwasher door and the front panel by the thickness of the spacers, allowing a flat bar, metal strip, or something similar to be installed in between.
Best regards,
Sektionschef
Best regards,
Sektionschef
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IKEA-Experte10 Apr 2015 11:24I took a closer look at the connecting pins in the link. It was reported that when connected with flat steel strips, the front bends forward when opened. Therefore, the offered connecting pins seem too thin to me. Maybe others can be found. I just searched online.
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Leuchte_430110 Apr 2015 14:24I took an entire front panel for my installation, but I think it should work if I don’t screw the plastic brackets directly onto the front panel, but instead attach them using spacers and slightly longer screws. This would increase the gap between the dishwasher door and the front panel by the thickness of the spacers, allowing the installation of a flat bar, angle iron, or something similar in between.
Regards,
SektionschefHello,
That won’t work because the door will hit the dishwasher at the bottom when opening. The door swings fully over the front of the dishwasher, leaving just enough space for the rubber mat. If you attach the door with spacers, you’re adding exactly the millimeters of clearance needed for the door to swing in properly.
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