ᐅ Installing a Siemens dishwasher in an Ikea Metod kitchen
Created on: 12 Feb 2015 21:19
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Sektionschef
Hello
I also want to install a Siemens dishwasher in my Metod kitchen, so I visited the Siemens showroom in Vienna yesterday for advice.
While I gained some insights, I am not entirely sure if the information from the Siemens consultant is accurate, so I wanted to share all the details here and open the topic for discussion. It would be great if others could also share their experiences.
Yesterday, after I told the consultant the cabinet height (800mm (31.5 inches)) and plinth height (80mm (3 inches)), he showed me a table that indicates whether appliances with heights of 81.5cm (normal) or 86.5cm (XXL) will fit into a particular niche height combined with a certain plinth height.
At the bottom in the legend you can see:
- white fields at 86.5 or light gray fields at 81.5: dishwasher fits directly
- dark gray fields: dishwasher fits only with the Vario hinge
- black fields: dishwasher fits only with the Siemens folding hinge (special accessory).
The table shows a white field at a niche height of 880mm (35 inches) and a plinth height of 80mm (3 inches). According to this, an XXL appliance should fit directly without Vario hinge, meaning the 800mm (31.5 inches) tall front panel can be mounted directly onto the dishwasher door (no additional aids needed).
The consultant said this table applies to all Siemens dishwashers with 60cm (24 inches) width, including fully integrated and semi-integrated models.
However, he also mentioned that even a 5mm (0.2 inch) deviation in the niche height, depending on how the feet of the Metod kitchen are adjusted, can cause problems.
Unfortunately, I only checked the dimensional drawings of the XXL models (86.5cm (34 inches)) without the Vario hinge on the Siemens website after I got home.
What caught my attention is:
The drawing lists the front height as 705–775mm (27.8–30.5 inches), but the table shows 705–800mm (27.8–31.5 inches), which is a difference of 25mm (1 inch)!
The minimum plinth height in the drawing is 90mm (3.5 inches), but the table shows 80mm (3 inches) for the XXL appliance (column 880).
So I wonder how it is possible that the column "880" with a plinth height starting at 80mm is marked white, indicating that every XXL model should fit without a Vario hinge?
Has anyone in this forum already reported that installing an XXL dishwasher without the Vario hinge and without extra supports is not possible?
I will definitely call the consultant to ask about this and point out the inconsistencies between the table and the dimensional drawing.
I’ll share any further findings here.
Best regards
Sektionschef
I also want to install a Siemens dishwasher in my Metod kitchen, so I visited the Siemens showroom in Vienna yesterday for advice.
While I gained some insights, I am not entirely sure if the information from the Siemens consultant is accurate, so I wanted to share all the details here and open the topic for discussion. It would be great if others could also share their experiences.
Yesterday, after I told the consultant the cabinet height (800mm (31.5 inches)) and plinth height (80mm (3 inches)), he showed me a table that indicates whether appliances with heights of 81.5cm (normal) or 86.5cm (XXL) will fit into a particular niche height combined with a certain plinth height.
At the bottom in the legend you can see:
- white fields at 86.5 or light gray fields at 81.5: dishwasher fits directly
- dark gray fields: dishwasher fits only with the Vario hinge
- black fields: dishwasher fits only with the Siemens folding hinge (special accessory).
The table shows a white field at a niche height of 880mm (35 inches) and a plinth height of 80mm (3 inches). According to this, an XXL appliance should fit directly without Vario hinge, meaning the 800mm (31.5 inches) tall front panel can be mounted directly onto the dishwasher door (no additional aids needed).
The consultant said this table applies to all Siemens dishwashers with 60cm (24 inches) width, including fully integrated and semi-integrated models.
However, he also mentioned that even a 5mm (0.2 inch) deviation in the niche height, depending on how the feet of the Metod kitchen are adjusted, can cause problems.
Unfortunately, I only checked the dimensional drawings of the XXL models (86.5cm (34 inches)) without the Vario hinge on the Siemens website after I got home.
What caught my attention is:
The drawing lists the front height as 705–775mm (27.8–30.5 inches), but the table shows 705–800mm (27.8–31.5 inches), which is a difference of 25mm (1 inch)!
The minimum plinth height in the drawing is 90mm (3.5 inches), but the table shows 80mm (3 inches) for the XXL appliance (column 880).
So I wonder how it is possible that the column "880" with a plinth height starting at 80mm is marked white, indicating that every XXL model should fit without a Vario hinge?
Has anyone in this forum already reported that installing an XXL dishwasher without the Vario hinge and without extra supports is not possible?
I will definitely call the consultant to ask about this and point out the inconsistencies between the table and the dimensional drawing.
I’ll share any further findings here.
Best regards
Sektionschef
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Coletrickle_78087 Apr 2015 20:39Thank you for the two experience reports. Based on the Siemens video, I had already suspected the issue with the screws, but it’s good to know that the mat can be omitted.
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EinrichtungsNiete7 Apr 2015 23:08Has anyone here successfully installed a three-part front panel with the VÅGLIG connecting rail on a BSH XXL dishwasher with a Vario hinge?
Does it fit out of the box, does it require modifications, or is it not possible at all?
My dishwasher Neff GX661 (S72M65X8EU) is unfortunately not here yet, so I haven’t been able to try it out...
Does it fit out of the box, does it require modifications, or is it not possible at all?
My dishwasher Neff GX661 (S72M65X8EU) is unfortunately not here yet, so I haven’t been able to try it out...
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Coletrickle_78088 Apr 2015 19:43It is stated at the top of the page.
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EinrichtungsNiete8 Apr 2015 20:44Where exactly is that located?
Earlier it only mentioned flat steel strips for connecting the fronts, not the VÅGLIG.
What I actually meant was whether the VÅGLIG connecting rail already has pre-drilled holes for attaching it to the dishwasher door, or if the rail blocks the space needed for the attachments.
Earlier it only mentioned flat steel strips for connecting the fronts, not the VÅGLIG.
What I actually meant was whether the VÅGLIG connecting rail already has pre-drilled holes for attaching it to the dishwasher door, or if the rail blocks the space needed for the attachments.
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Coletrickle_78089 Apr 2015 07:12That’s not possible. The front panel is only a few millimeters (inches) away from the dishwasher. The only options would be to secure the panels with dowels or alternatively to mill out a recess where the mounting rails can be installed.
Therefore, the clear recommendation is to use a single front panel.
Therefore, the clear recommendation is to use a single front panel.
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EinrichtungsNiete9 Apr 2015 22:06Yes, usually the front panel only has a few millimeters of clearance from the dishwasher.
But if the dishwasher mounts were located next to the connecting rail, the front panel could be reinforced in this area by the thickness of the rail, and it would fit again.
Or is there any reason against this? If so, what exactly?
If the dishwasher mounts were exactly on the connecting rail, the area around the mount could possibly be supported so that it can be attached securely, and it would fit again.
Or is there any objection? If so, what exactly?
Sorry, I don’t want to be annoying, I just want to understand why exactly it won’t work with the connecting rail.
Routing out the rail would be an option—I have a router.
However, the routed groove would need to be completely and especially permanently sealed so nothing swells.
What is best to use for this?
Applying several coats of D3 glue?
Dowel joining sounds good in principle as well, but what kind of dowels should be used?
I’ve already searched and found pictures but unfortunately no sources or manufacturers...
But if the dishwasher mounts were located next to the connecting rail, the front panel could be reinforced in this area by the thickness of the rail, and it would fit again.
Or is there any reason against this? If so, what exactly?
If the dishwasher mounts were exactly on the connecting rail, the area around the mount could possibly be supported so that it can be attached securely, and it would fit again.
Or is there any objection? If so, what exactly?
Sorry, I don’t want to be annoying, I just want to understand why exactly it won’t work with the connecting rail.
Routing out the rail would be an option—I have a router.
However, the routed groove would need to be completely and especially permanently sealed so nothing swells.
What is best to use for this?
Applying several coats of D3 glue?
Dowel joining sounds good in principle as well, but what kind of dowels should be used?
I’ve already searched and found pictures but unfortunately no sources or manufacturers...
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