ᐅ Installation of a Gas Heating System in New Construction 2023/2024

kati1337 schrieb:

I didn’t understand what renewable electricity has to do with pellet heating systems?

Well, the certificates have to come from somewhere. Reforestation projects are quite popular. There have been cases where forest wood is sold as pellets, and then additional profit is made by selling certificates for reforestation.

For me, it’s clear that most projects associated with these certificates are complete nonsense.

But CO2 certificates combined with CBAM will definitely become a factor where we will feel price increases.

OWLer schrieb:

Well, the certificates have to come from somewhere. Reforestation projects are quite popular. Selling forest biomass as pellets and then profiting again from certificates for reforestation has reportedly happened.

In my opinion, most projects that offer certificates are mostly nonsense.

However, CO2 certificates combined with CBAM will definitely become a factor where we will notice price increases.

So far, I have always used a provider I found through Utopia, which as far as I know, operates without the certificate trading nonsense. For example, Polarstern has a hydropower plant.

OWLer schrieb:

Well, the certificates have to come from somewhere. Reforestation projects are quite popular. Selling forest as pellets and then making a profit again from the certificates for replanting has been known to happen.

For me, it’s clear that most projects with certificates are complete nonsense.

However, CO2 certificates combined with CBAM will definitely be a factor where we will feel price increases.

Green electricity is not generated through offset projects but through so-called Guarantees of Origin. If you are actually interested, you can find information online about how green electricity works under this search term.

Your definition is definitely wrong and looks to me like you were just looking for an excuse not to use green electricity and picked up something somewhere that actually plays no role at all in green electricity...

(Of course, there is legitimate criticism of Guarantees of Origin as well. But they work completely differently from the projects you mentioned.)

Can we quickly talk about the price again? I've heard this several times now, also within my wider circle of acquaintances. People always say heat pumps cost 20,000€, sometimes even 40,000€ more. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does this come from?

We are getting our heat pump included with the house at a fixed price, so I cannot see the exact cost of the heat pump. But when I simply search for the Vaillant VWL 75/6, I find multiple websites offering the unit for around 10,000€ (about $11,000) including all accessories and a hot water storage tank. There is also a 30% subsidy available. I think installation costs will be similar, at least for an air-source heat pump.

Retrofitting underfloor heating costs about 50€ (about $55) per square meter according to a quick online search. For 150m² (1,615 sq ft), that’s 7,500€ (about $8,200). Even then, with everything combined, we end up with maybe a 10,000€ (about $11,000) additional cost compared to a gas heating system. But then we also have underfloor heating and much lower running costs.

Moreover, in new builds, gas connections and other infrastructure have to be installed as well. In existing buildings, a heat pump can also be connected to radiators, though it won’t be quite as efficient.

xMisterDx schrieb:

After the dismissal of the best man Graichen, the law might even be completely overturned.

It remains exciting...
And the assumption that electricity prices won’t rise significantly in 2027 due to the CO2 price is an illusion. Almost 50% of our electricity will still come from coal and gas in 2027, with 15% alone from the extremely polluting lignite coal...

I’m laughing out loud 😀

I’m just waiting for Lindner to tear off the rubber mask from his face and for Frauke Petry to appear underneath, laughing.
And as a former FDP member, I can only shake my head.

chand1986 schrieb:

So, do you now have the specific example you claimed proves indoctrination in schools or not?

Of course, critical engagement with content is the central aspect when various ideological texts are studied in schools.

In social studies classes in Saxony-Anhalt, students from grade 8 onwards can learn to categorize people into "discriminated" and "non-discriminated" groups. Well, but since you teach physics, everything must be perfect there.