Hello community,
Since I’m planning to build a house within the next 1-3 years, it’s about time to start thinking a bit about the construction process.
As there is no specific plot yet, creating a floor plan doesn’t make much sense at this point, but I’ve roughly outlined what I might need/want.
I’m interested in getting an idea of the approximate costs involved (whether it’s about €40,000 more or less doesn’t really matter ;-) ) and am looking for experiences from other homeowners. The construction is planned for Lower Saxony.
So here’s roughly what I had in mind: the house should be about 145 sqm (1,560 sq ft) and built with solid construction. Minimum knee wall height should be 160 cm (63 inches):
Rooms TV socket Network connections
Upper floor: - Bedroom (light laminate) 1 2
- Child 1 (light laminate) 1 2
- Child 2 (light laminate) 1 2
- Office (light laminate) 1 2
- Bathroom (tiles) 0 0
- Hallway (light laminate) 0 2
Ground floor: - Guest WC (tiles) 0 0
- Kitchen + dining area (tiles) 1 4
- Living room (tiles) 2 4
- Small storage room (tiles) 0 0
- Hallway 0 1
Basement: - Laundry + ironing room (nonwoven flooring) 1 0
- Tool cellar (tiles) 1 2
- Storage room (tiles) 1 0
- Heating + central control room (tiles)0 2
- Hallway (tiles) 0 2
Equipment:
- Integrated radio in the kitchen + 2 ceiling speakers (controlled via AVR with zone 2?)
- Home automation (heating, electricity, roller shutters) using KNX
- Electric flush-mounted roller shutters (completely invisible from both inside and outside but must remain accessible)
- LED ceiling lights
- Geothermal heating?
- Floor-to-ceiling windows
- Underfloor heating
- KfW 70 energy standard
- Fireplace
- Large floor-level shower at least 100 x 100 cm (39 x 39 inches) on the upper floor
- Standard floor-level shower on the ground floor
- Corner bathtub
- Network cabling centralized in a small network cabinet with patch panel in the basement
- Double garage
Outdoor features:
- Spotlights under the roof overhang linked to motion sensors (garden side) + switchable manually via light switches
- Spotlights at the entrance area switchable via light switches
As mentioned, these are just my initial thoughts. Everything not mentioned here should or can be standard (if there is such a thing as standard).
If what I’m thinking about is completely off or if you have feedback I was hoping for, just let me know ;-)
Since I’m planning to build a house within the next 1-3 years, it’s about time to start thinking a bit about the construction process.
As there is no specific plot yet, creating a floor plan doesn’t make much sense at this point, but I’ve roughly outlined what I might need/want.
I’m interested in getting an idea of the approximate costs involved (whether it’s about €40,000 more or less doesn’t really matter ;-) ) and am looking for experiences from other homeowners. The construction is planned for Lower Saxony.
So here’s roughly what I had in mind: the house should be about 145 sqm (1,560 sq ft) and built with solid construction. Minimum knee wall height should be 160 cm (63 inches):
Rooms TV socket Network connections
Upper floor: - Bedroom (light laminate) 1 2
- Child 1 (light laminate) 1 2
- Child 2 (light laminate) 1 2
- Office (light laminate) 1 2
- Bathroom (tiles) 0 0
- Hallway (light laminate) 0 2
Ground floor: - Guest WC (tiles) 0 0
- Kitchen + dining area (tiles) 1 4
- Living room (tiles) 2 4
- Small storage room (tiles) 0 0
- Hallway 0 1
Basement: - Laundry + ironing room (nonwoven flooring) 1 0
- Tool cellar (tiles) 1 2
- Storage room (tiles) 1 0
- Heating + central control room (tiles)0 2
- Hallway (tiles) 0 2
Equipment:
- Integrated radio in the kitchen + 2 ceiling speakers (controlled via AVR with zone 2?)
- Home automation (heating, electricity, roller shutters) using KNX
- Electric flush-mounted roller shutters (completely invisible from both inside and outside but must remain accessible)
- LED ceiling lights
- Geothermal heating?
- Floor-to-ceiling windows
- Underfloor heating
- KfW 70 energy standard
- Fireplace
- Large floor-level shower at least 100 x 100 cm (39 x 39 inches) on the upper floor
- Standard floor-level shower on the ground floor
- Corner bathtub
- Network cabling centralized in a small network cabinet with patch panel in the basement
- Double garage
Outdoor features:
- Spotlights under the roof overhang linked to motion sensors (garden side) + switchable manually via light switches
- Spotlights at the entrance area switchable via light switches
As mentioned, these are just my initial thoughts. Everything not mentioned here should or can be standard (if there is such a thing as standard).
If what I’m thinking about is completely off or if you have feedback I was hoping for, just let me know ;-)
Bautraum2015 schrieb:
It starts at €400,000 (about $430,000) ... you can say that much 🙂
A good friend of mine is building almost exactly like you describe (you know you have some expensive luxury features in there... KNX?) 145 sqm (1560 sq ft) WITHOUT basement and exterior landscaping not included, cost estimates from two builders both around €430,000 (about $464,000)... as I said, no basement.Well, I think €400,000 (about $430,000) is a bit on the high side.
We are building with 240 sqm (2583 sq ft) and also have all the features he lists (except integrated radio and home automation) and we are SIGNIFICANTLY below that price. Okay – we don’t have a basement – but if I subtract the extra 100 sqm (1076 sq ft) of living space, the finished attic, and the very expensive earthworks (soil replacement), he could easily afford the basement he wants.
ypg schrieb:
Why do you need so many network connections???? 😱 No idea, ask my husband. :-) I also find them unnecessary. I always compare it to an older house build where every room had a telephone line installed for phone and internet. Nowadays (15 years later) nobody needs that anymore. And I would almost say that by the time the kids are old enough to care about that, it’s already outdated again since TV is streamed via laptop and internet runs on Wi-Fi. But everyone has their preferences. As I said, we also have them in every room.
Wastl schrieb:
You want to fit 4 bedrooms + bathroom + corridor + stairs on 145 sqm (1560 sq ft) on the upper floor? That could be very tight. I don’t know if your wishes aren’t too ambitious.
If you’re going to build the basement anyway – maybe put the office in a heated basement room with a large light well? Well, if all the rooms are just 12 sqm (129 sq ft), it could work. But I wonder how practical a 12 sqm bedroom really is. A 4x3 meter (13x10 feet) room only fits a bed comfortably, but there’s no space left for a wardrobe – and of course, there has to be a door and a window somewhere.
Alternatively, the office could also be located on the ground floor. There is still space for that.
@Bautraum2015: Are the 145 sqm (1560 sq ft) spread over the ground floor and upper floor, or does that include the basement?
Bautraum20156 Feb 2015 08:49No basement, as I understand it.
I don’t consider 12sqm (130 sq ft) small. We still live in our apartment, and our son has a room that size with a large wardrobe, two dressers, and a bed, plus a nice rug in the middle for playing. In our house, the children’s rooms will be 14sqm (150 sq ft); anything larger seems unnecessary to us (though I admit our kids will eventually have their own living room in the basement!).
I find it more important to install conduit pipes for future technology upgrades, such as fiber optic cables. Network sockets have become unnecessary if you want to avoid overexposing children to media.
I don’t consider 12sqm (130 sq ft) small. We still live in our apartment, and our son has a room that size with a large wardrobe, two dressers, and a bed, plus a nice rug in the middle for playing. In our house, the children’s rooms will be 14sqm (150 sq ft); anything larger seems unnecessary to us (though I admit our kids will eventually have their own living room in the basement!).
I find it more important to install conduit pipes for future technology upgrades, such as fiber optic cables. Network sockets have become unnecessary if you want to avoid overexposing children to media.
From a cost perspective, I agree with Bautraum2015. Starting at 400,000 euros (without land), including site development, a double garage, landscaping, and kitchen. I’m not an expert, but I calculated the cost of our house (2011) once. It’s a bit smaller, has geothermal heating and controlled residential ventilation, but not the technical extras (for me, Wi-Fi and Powerline are enough) and no fireplace.
Wastl is right—the study or home office on the upper floor shouldn’t come at the expense of the size of the children’s rooms. And an office can work well in the basement—with a nice light well in front of the window—or you could find a sloped plot of land—this also brings good natural light into the basement.
Wastl is right—the study or home office on the upper floor shouldn’t come at the expense of the size of the children’s rooms. And an office can work well in the basement—with a nice light well in front of the window—or you could find a sloped plot of land—this also brings good natural light into the basement.
Haha, @Bautraum2015. I actually meant square meters when I asked about the Qm 🙂
Yes, children’s rooms work well. I do think a children’s room should be at least about 14 square meters (depending on roof slope), but it’s clear they function well and provide enough space for playing. (Ours are 16 square meters, almost square, with hardly any roof slope, and the kids also have another room as a playroom and living area :-) )
But a 12 square meter bedroom without a walk-in closet is really very tight. Around the bed, you’re left with narrow walking paths of only 50-70cm (20-28 inches), depending on how the bed is arranged. Comfortable is something else entirely.
Bautraum2015 schrieb:
Without a basement, as I understand it.
I don’t think 12 square meters is small. We still live in our apartment and our son has a room like that with a large wardrobe, two dressers, and a bed, and there’s a nice rug in the middle for playing. In our house, the children's rooms will be 14 square meters; anything bigger seems unnecessary to us (although I have to admit our kids will eventually get their own living room in the basement!)
Yes, children’s rooms work well. I do think a children’s room should be at least about 14 square meters (depending on roof slope), but it’s clear they function well and provide enough space for playing. (Ours are 16 square meters, almost square, with hardly any roof slope, and the kids also have another room as a playroom and living area :-) )
But a 12 square meter bedroom without a walk-in closet is really very tight. Around the bed, you’re left with narrow walking paths of only 50-70cm (20-28 inches), depending on how the bed is arranged. Comfortable is something else entirely.
Bautraum20156 Feb 2015 09:28Of course, it depends on the age. The older the building, the better to have a few extra square meters. We are now planning 14-15 sq m (150-160 sq ft), almost rectangular, a full storey, with one floor-to-ceiling window and two casement windows (light can also create the impression of more space).
Back to the topic:
In my opinion, 400k is the minimum with current construction costs. The trend is increasing over the years.
Back to the topic:
In my opinion, 400k is the minimum with current construction costs. The trend is increasing over the years.
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G-Star19886 Feb 2015 10:17So, the 145 m² (1,560 sq ft) are planned without a basement.
You’re right about the study; it might be better to place it in the basement after all. Although the room is also intended for our pet. Well, that will have to be decided based on the plot and the floor plan design.
The many network outlets (although I think there are still too few) are needed for so many things. There is already enough radiation everywhere, so it’s best to avoid Wi-Fi as much as possible. And who wants to transmit data at 300 Mbps when it can be done through cables at 1000 Mbps (1 Gbps)? ;-) Also, movies and such run with fewer interruptions over cables. In the future living room alone, I will need three network connections or a switch because of the AVR, multimedia receiver, and TV.
I have also estimated the costs at around €400,000 (about $430,000), so it’s nice to see you roughly agree with that. ;-)
You’re right about the study; it might be better to place it in the basement after all. Although the room is also intended for our pet. Well, that will have to be decided based on the plot and the floor plan design.
The many network outlets (although I think there are still too few) are needed for so many things. There is already enough radiation everywhere, so it’s best to avoid Wi-Fi as much as possible. And who wants to transmit data at 300 Mbps when it can be done through cables at 1000 Mbps (1 Gbps)? ;-) Also, movies and such run with fewer interruptions over cables. In the future living room alone, I will need three network connections or a switch because of the AVR, multimedia receiver, and TV.
I have also estimated the costs at around €400,000 (about $430,000), so it’s nice to see you roughly agree with that. ;-)
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