DerErlanger12 May 2014 18:29Hello dear forum,
My wife and I are planning to buy a specific house. We are both very excited and can afford it as well. (That doesn’t happen every day ;-) ). The house is located next to a main road, but the noise disturbance is quite limited because of several traffic calming measures and the house/garden is set back from the road.
Now we have learned that a commercial area is planned to be developed on the opposite side of the main road.
A call to the local authority revealed that office buildings, medical practices, a bakery, a car repair workshop, and a taxi dispatch center are planned there. (Explicitly NO logistics companies/freight forwarders or supermarkets).
On one hand, it is often said that a property loses value if a commercial area opens nearby. On the other hand, medical practices or similar businesses might actually increase the property value.
We are both a bit confused about this topic right now – does anyone have similar experiences or knows about this?
Thanks and best regards,
Holger
PS: I have attached the graphic from the public newsletter here and outlined both the house and the commercial area to provide a better overview.
My wife and I are planning to buy a specific house. We are both very excited and can afford it as well. (That doesn’t happen every day ;-) ). The house is located next to a main road, but the noise disturbance is quite limited because of several traffic calming measures and the house/garden is set back from the road.
Now we have learned that a commercial area is planned to be developed on the opposite side of the main road.
A call to the local authority revealed that office buildings, medical practices, a bakery, a car repair workshop, and a taxi dispatch center are planned there. (Explicitly NO logistics companies/freight forwarders or supermarkets).
On one hand, it is often said that a property loses value if a commercial area opens nearby. On the other hand, medical practices or similar businesses might actually increase the property value.
We are both a bit confused about this topic right now – does anyone have similar experiences or knows about this?
Thanks and best regards,
Holger
PS: I have attached the graphic from the public newsletter here and outlined both the house and the commercial area to provide a better overview.
W
wadenkneifer12 May 2014 19:49Hello,
I’m going to share my spontaneous thoughts on the question.
The commercial area looks quite large for the types of businesses you mentioned. Is there already an approved plan specifying the permitted use of this commercial area? Even if it is currently designated only for the businesses you mentioned, this can of course change administratively at any time. It might only require enough available space for a longer period and the prospect of a larger company bringing in commercial tax revenue.
What does the long-term surrounding development plan look like? Are there any motorways, commercial zones, or similar projects planned that could change the use of the main road? We currently live near a future motorway access road, so we’re eager to move away from here!
Are there any noise protection requirements in the zoning plan for the intended property? Are noise control measures (such as soundproof windows or the arrangement of bedrooms) mandatory?
Do you have the opportunity to observe the property over a longer period? For example, spending 2-3 hours in the evening or a Sunday afternoon on the terrace to assess the noise levels?
There seem to be undeveloped plots in the neighborhood (or is the plan outdated?). How long have these been vacant? Are there any particular conditions in this residential/development area (e.g., comparatively affordable land prices)?
Best regards,
Michael
I’m going to share my spontaneous thoughts on the question.
The commercial area looks quite large for the types of businesses you mentioned. Is there already an approved plan specifying the permitted use of this commercial area? Even if it is currently designated only for the businesses you mentioned, this can of course change administratively at any time. It might only require enough available space for a longer period and the prospect of a larger company bringing in commercial tax revenue.
What does the long-term surrounding development plan look like? Are there any motorways, commercial zones, or similar projects planned that could change the use of the main road? We currently live near a future motorway access road, so we’re eager to move away from here!
Are there any noise protection requirements in the zoning plan for the intended property? Are noise control measures (such as soundproof windows or the arrangement of bedrooms) mandatory?
Do you have the opportunity to observe the property over a longer period? For example, spending 2-3 hours in the evening or a Sunday afternoon on the terrace to assess the noise levels?
There seem to be undeveloped plots in the neighborhood (or is the plan outdated?). How long have these been vacant? Are there any particular conditions in this residential/development area (e.g., comparatively affordable land prices)?
Best regards,
Michael
DerErlanger12 May 2014 20:44Hello Wadenkneifer,
thanks for the quick response. Yes, I had already considered that the usage could change at any time. The A73 highway runs directly "next to" the property, and there are also plans to expand the railway tracks from 2 to 4 lanes. The plots only appear to be free on the plan (which dates back to 2012) – currently, there are already shell structures built there. Inside the house, it was quiet, and in the garden, the noise level was something I could live with (about a constant 60 dB “background noise,” sometimes 65 dB when a truck passed by).
I suspect the number of cars will increase once offices move in there. At the moment, we are torn between whether this place could turn into a noisy money pit or if the overall quality will improve with further development, possibly turning into a second city center in 20 years.
thanks for the quick response. Yes, I had already considered that the usage could change at any time. The A73 highway runs directly "next to" the property, and there are also plans to expand the railway tracks from 2 to 4 lanes. The plots only appear to be free on the plan (which dates back to 2012) – currently, there are already shell structures built there. Inside the house, it was quiet, and in the garden, the noise level was something I could live with (about a constant 60 dB “background noise,” sometimes 65 dB when a truck passed by).
I suspect the number of cars will increase once offices move in there. At the moment, we are torn between whether this place could turn into a noisy money pit or if the overall quality will improve with further development, possibly turning into a second city center in 20 years.
W
wadenkneifer12 May 2014 20:58Hello,
Did you measure the noise level, or is it an estimate? A continuous noise level of 60dB would be too loud for me. That is close to the threshold of health risk.
Industrial or commercial areas also tend to have noise that occurs in phases. In retail, for example, mainly on Saturday mornings and so on... Sundays, however, are usually quieter.
There was no mention of rail tracks earlier, which is another negative factor.
Of course, I understand that it’s difficult to find something “affordable” in Erlangen. We also looked at several “noisy” plots and deliberately chose a quieter location a bit further out.
Best regards
Michael
Did you measure the noise level, or is it an estimate? A continuous noise level of 60dB would be too loud for me. That is close to the threshold of health risk.
Industrial or commercial areas also tend to have noise that occurs in phases. In retail, for example, mainly on Saturday mornings and so on... Sundays, however, are usually quieter.
There was no mention of rail tracks earlier, which is another negative factor.
Of course, I understand that it’s difficult to find something “affordable” in Erlangen. We also looked at several “noisy” plots and deliberately chose a quieter location a bit further out.
Best regards
Michael
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Polle 196712 May 2014 20:59Hello Holger
In the end, the decision is yours!!
In our case, I would say stay away. In the commercial area, noise limits are 65 dB from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m., Monday through Saturday, and 50 dB from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., with a special permit also allowing this on Sundays.
Soundproof windows only help if they are kept closed. Do you not want to open any windows? Or sleep with earplugs?
Best regards
In the end, the decision is yours!!
In our case, I would say stay away. In the commercial area, noise limits are 65 dB from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m., Monday through Saturday, and 50 dB from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., with a special permit also allowing this on Sundays.
Soundproof windows only help if they are kept closed. Do you not want to open any windows? Or sleep with earplugs?
Best regards
Hello Erlanger,
You should definitely check with the building authority to see what is actually permitted in that commercial area. For medical practices and similar uses, the space is far too large. It’s possible that the area will be subdivided and noisier activities relocated further back, but even then, this could still generate delivery traffic. At night, noise perception is quite different; 60-65 dB is already a significant level, especially since you would have to deal with it every night.
Best regards,
Dirk Grafe
You should definitely check with the building authority to see what is actually permitted in that commercial area. For medical practices and similar uses, the space is far too large. It’s possible that the area will be subdivided and noisier activities relocated further back, but even then, this could still generate delivery traffic. At night, noise perception is quite different; 60-65 dB is already a significant level, especially since you would have to deal with it every night.
Best regards,
Dirk Grafe
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