ᐅ Hydraulic balancing for air-to-water heat pump + high-efficiency circulation pump
Created on: 3 Jan 2021 23:07
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Warning: wall of text and lots of theorycrafting:
I am currently trying to optimize or fundamentally adjust the hydraulic and thermal balancing of my air-to-water heat pump system, including underfloor heating, but I am running into the following issues:
First, about the house: KfW-55 bungalow with controlled mechanical ventilation
Nearly 105 m2 (1130 ft²) of heated floor area
Air-to-water heat pump with underfloor heating throughout, 10cm (5 inches) pipe spacing, max 30°C (86°F) flow temperature. At -12°C (10°F) outside temperature, the calculated heating load is 3276 watts.
According to the datasheet, the heat pump delivers 3200 watts at -10°C (14°F) outside temperature with flow 35°C (95°F) and return 30°C (86°F).
All rooms are designed for 20°C (68°F), including the bathroom (to avoid an oversized heat pump by the general contractor). Additionally, for the bathroom, an electric radiator is planned to achieve a room temperature of 2°C (4°F) higher than the rest. However, in reality, the toilet, utility room, bedroom, and guest room should only be heated to 18°C (64°F) (it won’t be much lower in a new building). The bathroom is intended to be warmer, at around 21–22°C (70–72°F).
Currently, I have the following questions (though perhaps I am too focused on the self-regulation effect and avoiding actuator valves):
1. Circulation pump: Various guides, manuals, and forum posts recommend setting the circulation pump of the underfloor heating to a constant flow rate.
My conclusion: my circulation pump is a high-efficiency variable-speed pump, so I can set the flow rate on the manifold in L/min (based on the calculations from the general contractor / heating engineer) to whatever I want, but the flow always settles around 600–630 L/h (10–11 L/min). The only significant flow changes I get are when I activate the actuators and room thermostats, which then open or close the valves. The only adjustment parameter on the circulation pump is the minimum flow rate; no other settings are available. But I don’t fully understand how this function works.
2. Operating times of the heat pump / self-regulation: I usually read that the heat pump should run as long as possible, though some sources say short cycling a few times is normal.
My conclusion: if I run the system without actuators and room thermostats, the energy integral control does not work; the system basically runs almost 24/7 at low temperatures, with interruptions only for defrosting. As a result, with a flow temperature of 27°C (81°F), I only get about 19–20°C (66–68°F) room temperature, but I’d prefer around 21–23°C (70–73°F), especially in the bathroom. If I do it the other way, with energy integral control (EIC) and actuators and slightly higher curve so that 30°C (86°F) flow is demanded, the actuators close in the first rooms, which causes the flow to increase to the other rooms because the pump still distributes the volume flow among the remaining open valves. At the same time, the flow temperature rises for rooms where the actuators are still open until the desired temperature is reached and the actuators close. Then the energy integral kicks in and goes negative because actual flow temperature exceeds setpoint flow temperature, until the heat pump shuts off once the energy integral has been reduced.
So right now, I’m struggling with what is better: should the system just run steadily at a flow temperature of 27°C (81°F) (which I might still optimize a bit), with heating only interrupted for defrosting or when the compressor’s hysteresis is exceeded, causing the compressor to be locked out for a certain time? Or should I define time windows during which the system is allowed to operate?
Maybe I could manage this better by refining the balancing, but I guess I’ll have to throttle down so much for the energy integral to work that the flow rate will fall below the minimum required, and the bypass valve will open.
Or should I run the system at 30°C (86°F) flow with room thermostats and actuators, allowing the energy integral control to function properly and reach the desired room temperatures?
Another strange issue is: according to the heating load and underfloor heating calculations, the system requires about 840 L/h (14 L/min) at 4.4 K (7.9°F) delta T in the design case. If I set the flow according to this calculation or slightly lower, the pump only delivers 600–630 L/h (10–11 L/min) at a delta T of about 3–4 K (5.4–7.2°F).
According to the datasheet, the optimal flow rate for the heat pump is 540 L/h (9 L/min) at 5 K (9°F) delta T.
540 L/h * 5 K * 1.163 = 3132 watts
620 L/h * 3.5 K * 1.163 = 2527 watts
840 L/h * 4.4 K * 1.163 = 4287 watts
Calculated heating load at -12°C (10°F) = 3176 watts (and this heating load is probably overestimated since controlled mechanical ventilation was not included in the calculation, and I want only 15–18°C (59–64°F) in four rooms instead of the calculated 20°C (68°F). Also, average outside temperatures for the heat pump in my area are closer to -10°C (14°F) rather than -12°C (10°F), so there is some margin).
Maybe I have now gotten too caught up in theoretical and calculated values and can’t see the forest for the trees?
I am currently trying to optimize or fundamentally adjust the hydraulic and thermal balancing of my air-to-water heat pump system, including underfloor heating, but I am running into the following issues:
First, about the house: KfW-55 bungalow with controlled mechanical ventilation
Nearly 105 m2 (1130 ft²) of heated floor area
Air-to-water heat pump with underfloor heating throughout, 10cm (5 inches) pipe spacing, max 30°C (86°F) flow temperature. At -12°C (10°F) outside temperature, the calculated heating load is 3276 watts.
According to the datasheet, the heat pump delivers 3200 watts at -10°C (14°F) outside temperature with flow 35°C (95°F) and return 30°C (86°F).
All rooms are designed for 20°C (68°F), including the bathroom (to avoid an oversized heat pump by the general contractor). Additionally, for the bathroom, an electric radiator is planned to achieve a room temperature of 2°C (4°F) higher than the rest. However, in reality, the toilet, utility room, bedroom, and guest room should only be heated to 18°C (64°F) (it won’t be much lower in a new building). The bathroom is intended to be warmer, at around 21–22°C (70–72°F).
Currently, I have the following questions (though perhaps I am too focused on the self-regulation effect and avoiding actuator valves):
1. Circulation pump: Various guides, manuals, and forum posts recommend setting the circulation pump of the underfloor heating to a constant flow rate.
My conclusion: my circulation pump is a high-efficiency variable-speed pump, so I can set the flow rate on the manifold in L/min (based on the calculations from the general contractor / heating engineer) to whatever I want, but the flow always settles around 600–630 L/h (10–11 L/min). The only significant flow changes I get are when I activate the actuators and room thermostats, which then open or close the valves. The only adjustment parameter on the circulation pump is the minimum flow rate; no other settings are available. But I don’t fully understand how this function works.
2. Operating times of the heat pump / self-regulation: I usually read that the heat pump should run as long as possible, though some sources say short cycling a few times is normal.
My conclusion: if I run the system without actuators and room thermostats, the energy integral control does not work; the system basically runs almost 24/7 at low temperatures, with interruptions only for defrosting. As a result, with a flow temperature of 27°C (81°F), I only get about 19–20°C (66–68°F) room temperature, but I’d prefer around 21–23°C (70–73°F), especially in the bathroom. If I do it the other way, with energy integral control (EIC) and actuators and slightly higher curve so that 30°C (86°F) flow is demanded, the actuators close in the first rooms, which causes the flow to increase to the other rooms because the pump still distributes the volume flow among the remaining open valves. At the same time, the flow temperature rises for rooms where the actuators are still open until the desired temperature is reached and the actuators close. Then the energy integral kicks in and goes negative because actual flow temperature exceeds setpoint flow temperature, until the heat pump shuts off once the energy integral has been reduced.
So right now, I’m struggling with what is better: should the system just run steadily at a flow temperature of 27°C (81°F) (which I might still optimize a bit), with heating only interrupted for defrosting or when the compressor’s hysteresis is exceeded, causing the compressor to be locked out for a certain time? Or should I define time windows during which the system is allowed to operate?
Maybe I could manage this better by refining the balancing, but I guess I’ll have to throttle down so much for the energy integral to work that the flow rate will fall below the minimum required, and the bypass valve will open.
Or should I run the system at 30°C (86°F) flow with room thermostats and actuators, allowing the energy integral control to function properly and reach the desired room temperatures?
Another strange issue is: according to the heating load and underfloor heating calculations, the system requires about 840 L/h (14 L/min) at 4.4 K (7.9°F) delta T in the design case. If I set the flow according to this calculation or slightly lower, the pump only delivers 600–630 L/h (10–11 L/min) at a delta T of about 3–4 K (5.4–7.2°F).
According to the datasheet, the optimal flow rate for the heat pump is 540 L/h (9 L/min) at 5 K (9°F) delta T.
540 L/h * 5 K * 1.163 = 3132 watts
620 L/h * 3.5 K * 1.163 = 2527 watts
840 L/h * 4.4 K * 1.163 = 4287 watts
Calculated heating load at -12°C (10°F) = 3176 watts (and this heating load is probably overestimated since controlled mechanical ventilation was not included in the calculation, and I want only 15–18°C (59–64°F) in four rooms instead of the calculated 20°C (68°F). Also, average outside temperatures for the heat pump in my area are closer to -10°C (14°F) rather than -12°C (10°F), so there is some margin).
Maybe I have now gotten too caught up in theoretical and calculated values and can’t see the forest for the trees?
Vaillant has also responded:
Thank you for your inquiry.
As soon as the electronics detect that there is insufficient flow rate in the system, no heating or hot water function will be carried out.
Whether the flow rate is achieved by one or by the entire heating circuit is irrelevant to the device electronics. What matters is that
the flow rate is present in order to start heating.
Therefore, it is often advisable to install a hydraulic separator, a heat exchanger, or even a buffer tank for hydraulic separation.
Best regards,
Your
Vaillant Service Center
Thank you for your inquiry.
As soon as the electronics detect that there is insufficient flow rate in the system, no heating or hot water function will be carried out.
Whether the flow rate is achieved by one or by the entire heating circuit is irrelevant to the device electronics. What matters is that
the flow rate is present in order to start heating.
Therefore, it is often advisable to install a hydraulic separator, a heat exchanger, or even a buffer tank for hydraulic separation.
Best regards,
Your
Vaillant Service Center
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T_im_Norden12 Jan 2021 18:10This only refers to the minimum airflow rate.
If the temperatures and consumption are appropriate, it is still acceptable.
If the temperatures and consumption are appropriate, it is still acceptable.
The temperatures and consumption will still need to be determined.
Vaillant’s response is nevertheless brief and not very informative, as I specifically asked how the system controls whether it regulates based on supply temperatures, return temperatures, flow rate, and whether the system would only control accurately using an ERR.
Vaillant’s response is nevertheless brief and not very informative, as I specifically asked how the system controls whether it regulates based on supply temperatures, return temperatures, flow rate, and whether the system would only control accurately using an ERR.
A quick update:
I have now figured out the heating curve and temperature adjustments for us and our house:
Heating curve 0.10 with a base point increase of 1°C (2°F)
In all the main rooms, the temperature is 20.5°C to 21°C (69°F to 70°F) as desired.
I cannot get the temperature in the WC and utility room below 17–19°C (63°F to 66°F) without completely shutting off the circuits. The same applies to the bedroom; only extensive ventilation helps in addition to the almost shut-off circuit. Therefore, there is nothing more to gain from the adjacent bathroom, since otherwise it would overheat the bedroom.
Hopefully, this will no longer be an issue once the electric radiator is installed for times when a brief temperature increase is needed.
Electricity consumption from yesterday morning to today morning with an outside temperature of 1°C (34°F) was 12 kWh for heating and 2 kWh for hot water.
The compressor runs almost 24 hours straight.
Today, I hope to have a phone call with Vaillant to find out whether a nighttime setback still makes sense. For this, I first need to learn more about the freezing and defrosting of the Vaillant outdoor unit.
I have now figured out the heating curve and temperature adjustments for us and our house:
Heating curve 0.10 with a base point increase of 1°C (2°F)
In all the main rooms, the temperature is 20.5°C to 21°C (69°F to 70°F) as desired.
I cannot get the temperature in the WC and utility room below 17–19°C (63°F to 66°F) without completely shutting off the circuits. The same applies to the bedroom; only extensive ventilation helps in addition to the almost shut-off circuit. Therefore, there is nothing more to gain from the adjacent bathroom, since otherwise it would overheat the bedroom.
Hopefully, this will no longer be an issue once the electric radiator is installed for times when a brief temperature increase is needed.
Electricity consumption from yesterday morning to today morning with an outside temperature of 1°C (34°F) was 12 kWh for heating and 2 kWh for hot water.
The compressor runs almost 24 hours straight.
Today, I hope to have a phone call with Vaillant to find out whether a nighttime setback still makes sense. For this, I first need to learn more about the freezing and defrosting of the Vaillant outdoor unit.
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T_im_Norden1 Feb 2021 12:37Well, it's great to hear that things are going well now.
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