ᐅ What degree of deviation is acceptable when laying masonry?
Created on: 8 Apr 2022 19:46
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WilderSueden
We visited the kitchen installer today and then went to the construction site where the ground floor was completed this week. We noticed that the kitchen measurements differ slightly from the original plan. According to the plan, the kitchen should be 2.995 meters wide, but I measured 2.909 meters along the wall and about one centimeter more at the transition to the dining area.
I understand that masonry work isn’t exact to the millimeter ("the bricklayer is happy as long as he stays on the property..."), but around 8 centimeters seems a bit much to me. Is this still acceptable, and what would be the best way to handle this? Should I ask the general contractor to have the bricklayers on the upper floor re-measure more carefully? In principle, I could live with a kitchen width that’s about one handbreadth smaller.
I understand that masonry work isn’t exact to the millimeter ("the bricklayer is happy as long as he stays on the property..."), but around 8 centimeters seems a bit much to me. Is this still acceptable, and what would be the best way to handle this? Should I ask the general contractor to have the bricklayers on the upper floor re-measure more carefully? In principle, I could live with a kitchen width that’s about one handbreadth smaller.
WilderSueden schrieb:
Although I doubt that because the bricks are 2.5cm (1 inch) thicker than in the plan. I’m planning to go back tomorrow to measure everything again. But he probably didn’t intend to give them away for free? Thicker bricks certainly cost more.
Mistakes can’t be ruled out, but maybe there’s a clause like “what the structural engineer specifies.”
It could also be that a less strong brick but wider was used. That would be interesting...
ypg schrieb:
He probably meant that kitchens are not planned smaller than 3.20m (10.5 feet) or larger than 2.40m (7.9 feet) 😉 Ah, a kitchen insider? 😀
guckuck2 schrieb:
aaaahja. Kitchen insider? 😀Insider? I’ve been in the design industry for quite a while… but a homemaker even longer 😉
WilderSueden schrieb:
According to the plan, the kitchen should be 2.995 m (9 ft 10 in) wide, but I measured 2.909 m (9 ft 6 in) at the wall.You measured more precisely than the builders built it ;-)WilderSueden schrieb:
and about a good centimeter more at the transition to the dining room.… which would be a common tolerance.WilderSueden schrieb:
The plans are full of 40 cm (16 in) walls but the blocks are 42.5 cm (17 in) (Question: does that still count as a minor change?)No, that would be a "newly invented" wall thickness. Maybe I didn’t think much of it in this case (we had a few instances where the general contractor specified wall thickness including plaster, even though that doesn’t really make sense from a practical point of view). 40 cm (16 in) would fit 36.5 cm (14 in) without plaster. Scanning the plan, it seems like you’re building the "DIY disaster villa" ;-)WilderSueden schrieb:
I never questioned the odd measurements.See “Where do the half centimeters come from?” 🙂For your roughly 8 cm (3 in) deviation, I hope that has been transferred to any (partial) prefabricated ceiling—not that it lacks proper support. In any case, I consider stricter alcohol controls here appropriate ;-)
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ypg schrieb:
He probably meant that kitchens shouldn’t be planned with a height under 3.20 meters (10.5 feet) or over 2.40 meters (7.9 feet) 😉That’s what was meant. 2.99 meters (9.8 feet) doesn’t work well with standard kitchen cabinet dimensions.gutentag schrieb:
That’s what I meant. 2.99 meters (9 ft 10 in) doesn’t work well with standard kitchen cabinet dimensions. Well, it always depends on the situation. Sample calculation:
299 cm (9 ft 10 in) - 2 x 2 cm (1 inch) plaster = 295 cm (9 ft 8 in)
295 cm (9 ft 8 in) - 92 cm (36 in) side-by-side refrigerator = 203 cm (6 ft 8 in)
Side-by-side refrigerators need 10 cm (4 inches) of clearance on each side: 203 cm (6 ft 8 in) - 2 x 10 cm (4 inches) = 183 cm (6 ft)
So you’re already at 180 cm (6 ft) plus some extra clearance.
So I wouldn’t generalize with today’s kitchens...
Even without the side clearances, you’d be at 200 cm (6 ft 7 in) = 2 x 60 cm (2 ft) + 1 x 80 cm (2 ft 7 in)
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