Hello,
we originally planned to build with a basement, but unfortunately that now seems unlikely due to the soil conditions. We simply need storage space. We tend to collect things and don’t like to throw things away. Having a house won’t suddenly change that, I want to be honest with myself.
Where do you store items that don’t fit in the utility closet?
What interesting storage options do you have besides the usual utility room, which is already half taken up by technical installations and the washing machine and where you don’t really want to store clutter, and the attic? Where do you keep your hobby workshop?
What are your solutions?
I would be very happy to get some suggestions, maybe even with plans or pictures.
Edit:
We are building with a shed roof and therefore have no attic.
We will not have a garage or carport.
we originally planned to build with a basement, but unfortunately that now seems unlikely due to the soil conditions. We simply need storage space. We tend to collect things and don’t like to throw things away. Having a house won’t suddenly change that, I want to be honest with myself.
Where do you store items that don’t fit in the utility closet?
What interesting storage options do you have besides the usual utility room, which is already half taken up by technical installations and the washing machine and where you don’t really want to store clutter, and the attic? Where do you keep your hobby workshop?
What are your solutions?
I would be very happy to get some suggestions, maybe even with plans or pictures.
Edit:
We are building with a shed roof and therefore have no attic.
We will not have a garage or carport.
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nordanney10 Oct 2014 12:24Children’s rooms of 18-20 m² (190-215 sq ft) are already considered a luxury. In our case, we only managed to have three rooms of about 12 m² (130 sq ft) each. However, we also wanted to sleep on the same level with our three little girls. So, in addition to the bedrooms, we included a bedroom with a walk-in closet, a play hallway, and two bathrooms. That filled almost 100 m² (1,075 sq ft) of living space on that floor.
For us, life mainly takes place either in the garden (during summer) or in the large living and dining area, which also includes a play corner for the children.
With this arrangement, we effectively have only three bedrooms with a desk and wardrobe for the children – as a retreat, though, it is completely sufficient.
For us, life mainly takes place either in the garden (during summer) or in the large living and dining area, which also includes a play corner for the children.
With this arrangement, we effectively have only three bedrooms with a desk and wardrobe for the children – as a retreat, though, it is completely sufficient.
When I think about my old childhood bedroom...
...I remember the storage space in the knee wall area. What are these spaces called again, the ones that form between the roof rafters and the knee wall?
As an only child, I had half of the attic space available: 24 sqm (258 sq ft) with sloping ceilings (40 degrees), a bathroom, and a hallway. I didn’t like the room because it was way too large, so I voluntarily moved into the storage room on the upper floor of about 8 sqm (86 sq ft). My bed, 140 cm (55 inches) wide, had enough room for my friends and me, homework was done in the dining room, though the wardrobe was still in the old big room.
And as has already been said: from around age 12 or 13, I was constantly out with friends in town, on the go, or elsewhere... I don’t think things are any different nowadays (30 years later), right?
...I remember the storage space in the knee wall area. What are these spaces called again, the ones that form between the roof rafters and the knee wall?
As an only child, I had half of the attic space available: 24 sqm (258 sq ft) with sloping ceilings (40 degrees), a bathroom, and a hallway. I didn’t like the room because it was way too large, so I voluntarily moved into the storage room on the upper floor of about 8 sqm (86 sq ft). My bed, 140 cm (55 inches) wide, had enough room for my friends and me, homework was done in the dining room, though the wardrobe was still in the old big room.
And as has already been said: from around age 12 or 13, I was constantly out with friends in town, on the go, or elsewhere... I don’t think things are any different nowadays (30 years later), right?
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Bauherren201410 Oct 2014 13:02Since the topic has already drifted a bit, I’ll also add my two cents:
As @Welmy already mentioned, the size of children’s rooms is subjective, and I also believe it cannot be reduced to a specific mandatory size. A well-designed 12 m² (129 sq ft) room can definitely feel and appear much larger than a poorly designed 18 m² (194 sq ft) one. And with five children and a limited budget, there is simply a point where you reach the limit. Nevertheless, I always find it amusing to compare today’s conditions with those of the past. I myself had a children’s room that was less than 10 m² (108 sq ft) — and yes, it was manageable. Of course it was manageable, because there was simply no other option. But no more than a bed, a desk, and a wardrobe fit in there. After that, I had a hallway that was not even a meter wide. Anything hobby-related was moved out. I always liked making music. Larger musical instruments in the room? No chance. A seating area to quietly chat with friends? No chance. Surely, it worked somehow – but it’s not what you’d call pleasant.
What I find frustrating with some homeowners is that the proportions sometimes don’t make sense: huge master bedrooms are planned for rooms that most people primarily use just for sleeping, while the children have to live in extremely cramped spaces. But once children reach a certain age, they basically live in their rooms. They want to invite friends over, they might have hobbies that need a bit of space, and they spend a large part of their time there (and no one can seriously tell me that 13-, 15-, or 17-year-olds spend most of their time in the parents’ living room). And they should be able to do that. Not every child is constantly out and about. The argument that children will eventually move out only partially holds up for me, since they don’t just live at home for one, two, or three years but rather for around 20 years (give or take).
What I like is a solution like at Nordanney: when a play corridor or a dedicated common room for the children is planned, or other retreat options are available, the children’s bedrooms themselves can certainly be a bit smaller.
Our children each have a 20 m² (215 sq ft) room in total, which certainly is not absolutely necessary and is in fact a luxury. But rather than wasting the space we have on the upper floor (constrained by the ground floor) on a large hallway, a big bedroom, or a walk-in closet that will not really be used anyway, I prefer to give it to the children.
As @Welmy already mentioned, the size of children’s rooms is subjective, and I also believe it cannot be reduced to a specific mandatory size. A well-designed 12 m² (129 sq ft) room can definitely feel and appear much larger than a poorly designed 18 m² (194 sq ft) one. And with five children and a limited budget, there is simply a point where you reach the limit. Nevertheless, I always find it amusing to compare today’s conditions with those of the past. I myself had a children’s room that was less than 10 m² (108 sq ft) — and yes, it was manageable. Of course it was manageable, because there was simply no other option. But no more than a bed, a desk, and a wardrobe fit in there. After that, I had a hallway that was not even a meter wide. Anything hobby-related was moved out. I always liked making music. Larger musical instruments in the room? No chance. A seating area to quietly chat with friends? No chance. Surely, it worked somehow – but it’s not what you’d call pleasant.
What I find frustrating with some homeowners is that the proportions sometimes don’t make sense: huge master bedrooms are planned for rooms that most people primarily use just for sleeping, while the children have to live in extremely cramped spaces. But once children reach a certain age, they basically live in their rooms. They want to invite friends over, they might have hobbies that need a bit of space, and they spend a large part of their time there (and no one can seriously tell me that 13-, 15-, or 17-year-olds spend most of their time in the parents’ living room). And they should be able to do that. Not every child is constantly out and about. The argument that children will eventually move out only partially holds up for me, since they don’t just live at home for one, two, or three years but rather for around 20 years (give or take).
What I like is a solution like at Nordanney: when a play corridor or a dedicated common room for the children is planned, or other retreat options are available, the children’s bedrooms themselves can certainly be a bit smaller.
Our children each have a 20 m² (215 sq ft) room in total, which certainly is not absolutely necessary and is in fact a luxury. But rather than wasting the space we have on the upper floor (constrained by the ground floor) on a large hallway, a big bedroom, or a walk-in closet that will not really be used anyway, I prefer to give it to the children.
Doc.Schnaggls schrieb:
Hello Simone,
is there a possibility for you to build an oversized garage? Alternatively, some manufacturers of precast concrete garages also offer quite clever standalone storage rooms or units that can be attached to a garage.
Best regards,
DirkHello,
a wider and longer garage has already been planned. We also have a 9m (30 feet) garage now, but it’s already well used with bicycles, the lawn mower, and other garden equipment. Originally, a house in Bauhaus style was planned for us, but we’re not sure if we’ll stick with that, because I find the storage space in the attic room lacking. The architect had planned a utility room measuring 3m x 7m (10 feet x 23 feet), but I’m not sure if I like that... Now he’s designing a modern house with a gable roof instead. We’ll see if I prefer that.
Bauherren2014 schrieb:
Since the topic has already drifted a bit, I’ll add my two cents:
Regardless, I always find it amusing to compare today’s conditions with those of the past. I also had a children’s room of less than 10 square meters (approximately 108 square feet) – and yes, it worked. Of course, it worked because there simply was no other option. But more than a bed, a desk, and a wardrobe wouldn’t fit. After that, I had a hallway that was less than a meter wide (about 3 feet). A seating area to hang out quietly with friends? No chance. Sure, it somehow worked – but it wasn’t ideal.
Our children each have a room of about 20 square meters (215 square feet), which is certainly not absolutely necessary and indeed a luxury. But rather than wasting the space we have upstairs (due to the ground floor layout) on a large hallway, a big bedroom, or a walk-in closet that probably wouldn’t be used, I’d rather give it to the kids.That’s exactly how I see it too. My daughter has squeezed a couch and TV into the tiny room for chatting when one or two friends visit. More guests aren’t really possible... and she imagines a nicer setup.
I also think a master bedroom doesn’t need to be large. Since we’re planning a walk-in closet, the bedroom only needs space for our bed and the television. It will only be as big as necessary, and the rest of the space goes to the children’s rooms. And when my daughter moves out someday, that will become my sewing room!
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Bauexperte10 Oct 2014 22:09Hello,
Best regards, Bauexperte
Bauherren2014 schrieb:I am very sorry to hear that...!
Apart from the fact that I wasn't allowed to
Best regards, Bauexperte
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Bauherren201410 Oct 2014 22:45@Bauexperte: By now, I have moved on from that!
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