Hello everyone,
we have purchased a quite challenging sloped plot and have now received the first draft from our architect. I have personally revised it to address some weaknesses that arose due to my requested changes. The exterior dimensions are relatively fixed. I am fairly satisfied but would appreciate some additional feedback before sending it back to the architect.
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 731 sqm (7870 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, steep slope; the street runs north down into the valley and the garden is elevated on the mountain to the east
Building envelope, building line and boundaries: 3 m (10 feet) to neighbors/street
Orientation: Garden east, street west
Maximum heights/limits: still uncertain. According to the preliminary building inquiry, about 9.50 m (31 feet) from basement slab
Other requirements: according to § 34
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Modern, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement plus 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 4 persons (41 years, 29 years, 3 years, 1 year), possible third child later
Space needs on ground floor: Living-dining-cooking area, storage/pantry, guest WC, office
Space needs on upper floor: Bedroom, dressing room, master bathroom, utility room, 2 children’s bedrooms, children’s bathroom
Space needs in basement: Secondary apartment as office and fitness area, technical room, entrance/wardrobe, storage, technical room, garage
Office: Family use or home office? 2 home office rooms
Overnight guests per year: 2 weeks per year
Open or closed layout: Very open living-dining-kitchen area; rest more closed
Conservative or modern construction: ?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both desired
Number of dining seats: 8-10
Fireplace: rather no
Music/sound wall: if possible
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Large garage with double door
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included: very different daily rhythms, husband goes to bed late and sleeps accordingly long. Basement office for undisturbed work.
We would like the garden level to be as high as possible above street level since the plot borders a nice meadow that is currently about 1-2 m (3-6 feet) above garden level. However, the house cannot be set too high because otherwise the garage entrance would become too steep.
House Design
Planner: Architect, with interior adjustments by myself
What do you particularly like? Why? Open, spacious living area, bay window
What do you dislike? Why? Unfavorable cloakroom situation when arriving from the garage. Long dirt zone through which you have to pass to reach the office.
Price estimate by architect: over 1 million
Personal price limit for house, including features: basically already stretched at 1 million, possibly up to 1.1-1.2 million
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump, underfloor heating
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
- Can you give up: Installation of the basement office as a separate apartment, but desired for tax reasons
- Cannot give up: Basically everything is in some way desired/important
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Due to the challenging slope of the plot, many factors are more or less predetermined. There was already an approved building application from another architect, which independently resembles this design closely.
I fell in love with the kitchen bay window in a show home, which unfortunately means the pantry cannot be used as the direct extension of the kitchen as originally planned... Since the kitchen is very large, the room will probably function more as a storage pantry.
On the upper floor, the second children’s bedroom is located in the northwest rather than the southwest because the higher neighbor's house stands directly to the south, and to the north there is a great view of the green valley.
we have purchased a quite challenging sloped plot and have now received the first draft from our architect. I have personally revised it to address some weaknesses that arose due to my requested changes. The exterior dimensions are relatively fixed. I am fairly satisfied but would appreciate some additional feedback before sending it back to the architect.
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 731 sqm (7870 sq ft)
Slope: Yes, steep slope; the street runs north down into the valley and the garden is elevated on the mountain to the east
Building envelope, building line and boundaries: 3 m (10 feet) to neighbors/street
Orientation: Garden east, street west
Maximum heights/limits: still uncertain. According to the preliminary building inquiry, about 9.50 m (31 feet) from basement slab
Other requirements: according to § 34
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Modern, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement plus 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: 4 persons (41 years, 29 years, 3 years, 1 year), possible third child later
Space needs on ground floor: Living-dining-cooking area, storage/pantry, guest WC, office
Space needs on upper floor: Bedroom, dressing room, master bathroom, utility room, 2 children’s bedrooms, children’s bathroom
Space needs in basement: Secondary apartment as office and fitness area, technical room, entrance/wardrobe, storage, technical room, garage
Office: Family use or home office? 2 home office rooms
Overnight guests per year: 2 weeks per year
Open or closed layout: Very open living-dining-kitchen area; rest more closed
Conservative or modern construction: ?
Open kitchen, kitchen island: both desired
Number of dining seats: 8-10
Fireplace: rather no
Music/sound wall: if possible
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Large garage with double door
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included: very different daily rhythms, husband goes to bed late and sleeps accordingly long. Basement office for undisturbed work.
We would like the garden level to be as high as possible above street level since the plot borders a nice meadow that is currently about 1-2 m (3-6 feet) above garden level. However, the house cannot be set too high because otherwise the garage entrance would become too steep.
House Design
Planner: Architect, with interior adjustments by myself
What do you particularly like? Why? Open, spacious living area, bay window
What do you dislike? Why? Unfavorable cloakroom situation when arriving from the garage. Long dirt zone through which you have to pass to reach the office.
Price estimate by architect: over 1 million
Personal price limit for house, including features: basically already stretched at 1 million, possibly up to 1.1-1.2 million
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump, underfloor heating
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
- Can you give up: Installation of the basement office as a separate apartment, but desired for tax reasons
- Cannot give up: Basically everything is in some way desired/important
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Due to the challenging slope of the plot, many factors are more or less predetermined. There was already an approved building application from another architect, which independently resembles this design closely.
I fell in love with the kitchen bay window in a show home, which unfortunately means the pantry cannot be used as the direct extension of the kitchen as originally planned... Since the kitchen is very large, the room will probably function more as a storage pantry.
On the upper floor, the second children’s bedroom is located in the northwest rather than the southwest because the higher neighbor's house stands directly to the south, and to the north there is a great view of the green valley.
11ant schrieb:
If an architect—without quotation marks—came up with this, I suspect the "modification" consists of cramming in small rooms (and chasing corner bonuses). The layout could almost be rented out as an escape room. What would you say is the worst construction site?
11ant schrieb:
My late grandma (a bakery saleswoman with zero construction law education) would doubt you could meet the requirement to integrate this foreign element, even with the wrong glasses on. Why shouldn’t it be possible? A building permit/planning permission was granted for a very similar house (same dimensions except for the additional bay window) and a small hipped roof instead of a flat roof. But there are also flat roofs opposite.
Yosan schrieb:
I am also surprised by the exterior appearance in connection with Section 34.
But you said there is a building permit for a (visually!?) very similar house?Are you referring to the 2 full stories? The previous architect also mentioned it was probably a long back and forth until it was approved, but it did get approved (after about a year).Skya2020 schrieb:
Do you mean because of the two full stories? The previous architect also said it was a long back and forth until it got approved, but it was granted (after about a year until approval). Well, it’s mainly because your planned house looks completely different from the two next to it, assuming their representations are accurate. Maybe you could provide some more insight into the surrounding buildings.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
1. A window is mandatory in any habitable room.
2. If you know a terrace will be added, you plan it differently.
Are you seriously planning to keep the exterior shell as is? Then your assumption is incorrect. The continuous lintels are not visible in any floor plan. The bay window (kitchen) is also not shown in the elevation.
You moved something around? Please show the original. Preferably the first draft as well.
Then I can see how your house fits in here. At least it doesn’t match the surroundings. The contract actually states that I am not allowed to publish or share the plans before completion... But maybe I can show a snippet so people can see what changes I’ve made. My main focus was on the children’s room, which as designed was only 2.59m (8 feet 6 inches) wide. This was because I had expressed during the planning that if possible, I wanted the option for a dumbwaiter. But if that means ending up with such a narrow room, I’d rather forgo it. I had also requested a utility room accessible from the hallway, which clearly didn’t work out, as you can see from the result.
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hanghaus202314 Jan 2025 16:30I read through the old thread. A link right at the beginning would have been helpful.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fertighausbau-mit-massivhaus-grundriss-sinnvoll.48133/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/fertighausbau-mit-massivhaus-grundriss-sinnvoll.48133/
Skya2020 schrieb:
For us, it is simply important at this point to have a single, unified roof structure integrated with the house.However, the design (at least in the form shown here) does not reflect that: the illustrations depict stacked flat-roofed bungalows with roof overhangs at each floor level. Furthermore, there is an apparent fragmentation in relation to the site, which almost amounts to a topographical distortion (penalty: excavator buckets measured in gold).Skya2020 schrieb:
What would you say is the worst part of the construction site?To me, the design (or perhaps only what you have "modified" from it?) appears to be nothing but a collection of pain points.But I do have it easy to say, since in this case, I get such a completely unrealistic impression of the planning that I would refuse a consulting mandate even if the waiting room were empty. Given such a striking gap between the living expectations and the realities of the plot, a change of site seems to me clearly the relatively most cost-effective solution.
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