ᐅ House Construction Planning: Timber Frame House, Log Cladding, Single-Slope Roof
Created on: 15 Aug 2023 09:12
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Paswina
Dear Forum,
I would like to present our house plan here for discussion. If I’m in the wrong forum, please feel free to move this post 🙂 Thanks! I usually read more than I post, so please forgive any beginner’s mistakes 🙂
In spring 2023, we received a letter from our landlord complaining about various issues. These apparently had been bothering him for a long time, which led us to believe that living together in this “multigenerational complex” no longer made sense for us. The neighborhood relationship is “poisoned.” However, the rental market in our city is completely crazy. My mother is often quickly enthusiastic about owning a home, so she spent a lot of free time searching for building areas for us. And she found one! In a small village of about 2,500 inhabitants in the middle of Rheinhessen, close to the highway and a train station, allowing me to manage my two days of office work without an expensive diesel car. The schools in the neighboring communities were also looking for teachers, so my girlfriend will start her new job there in September. Once the house is built and we’ve moved next year, her commute by train will only be 5 minutes.
Back to the building area. Around that time, I often read in the newspaper that some building plots were being returned. But building was never really an option for us, so we had relatively little equity. I emailed the mayor to ask if there was still a plot available. His answer: “Choose one!” He sent the plan, and we went there to see the plots in person. We focused on a small 320 sqm (3,444 sq ft) plot on the edge of the fields. However, when we tried to reserve it after a few days, the mayor unfortunately dashed our hopes: that plot had since been reserved by someone else! Slightly disappointed, we looked at the plan again and searched for the next best plot. This one was immediately €40,000 (about $44,000) more expensive... but at that point, we had no idea what everything would cost 🙂 We reserved this plot promptly and received confirmation of our reservation.
Meanwhile, I diligently ordered catalogs from many timber house builders. My girlfriend quickly decided it would be a timber house. Many houses from various manufacturers are truly beautiful, but unfortunately, also unaffordable for us. So we quickly focused on Talishaus as our first choice. Number two was Helios wooden houses from Hattstedt (about 10 minutes from Husum, where Talishaus is located). We also contacted Talishaus and received two offers: one for a bungalow (for the smaller plot) and another for a two-story house with a shed roof, as we currently live in a small house with a shed roof. But the prices brought us back down to reality again. So I picked a 1.5-story house from the Helios catalog and requested an offer for it.
We know the company Helios because my mother built with them in 2015. She said from the start that she had compared many offers and kept coming back to Helios. With each new offer I requested from other builders, it became more and more likely that we would build with Helios as well.
The contact is always friendly and helpful. The company has only five employees, so you always speak directly to the senior manager. We like their houses, the floor plans can be customized without any problems (which is always possible with timber houses), and the shed roof is also an option. Since my girlfriend is an art teacher, she visualized our house ideas for us. (I have attached two images; I’m not sure if they belong in the middle of the text or at the end).
Because our preferred plot allows it and the development plan doesn’t specify ridge direction, we want to orient the shed roof southwards. We also tried placing the house directly against the left or right boundary but didn’t like it. The development plan limits the maximum height to 7 m (23 ft) for houses with a roof pitch under 15°. The high side reaches 7 m (23 ft) with an interior height of 3.23 m (10 ft 7 in), and the low side is 2.32 m (7 ft 7 in) inside. We are also planning a small porch on the south side with space for bikes and possibly trash bins. We plan to add a seating area in the remaining space later.
It was clear to us, also because of the limited equity, that we definitely want to build with subsidies. Initially, we considered KfW with QNG certification, but the more offers and information I collected, the more we focused on the usual “climate-friendly new construction” without QNG.
The floor plan was from the very first version by the builder, but it only shares the exterior dimensions with the current plan. The attached house elevation was also drawn by my girlfriend and was mostly relevant for the window layout (the labeling of compass directions and house sides is correct, but the roof isn’t!).
We will probably receive the Helios plans soon, which will help us visualize everything better – I’ll update here then 🙂
Last week, we visited the company in person and met the window maker, the stair builder, and spoke with the electrician. We also had a short house tour with the junior manager, who just finished building a house.
Enough talking, here’s the house info:
Exterior walls:
- Pine log cladding 70x145 mm (3x6 inches) with chalet milling, with exposed end grain wood protected by solid wood covers
- Remmers HK glaze
- 16 mm (0.6 in) ventilation strip
- 16 mm (0.6 in) DWD board as wind barrier
- 200 mm (8 in) timber frame with insulation WLG 032 (thermal conductivity)
- 15 mm (0.6 in) OSB for vapor barrier
- Installation cavity 40x60 mm (1.5x2.4 in) with 60 mm (2.4 in) insulation WLG 035
- 12.5 mm (0.5 in) gypsum board
Roof:
- Shed roof 7° pitch
- 1 m (3.3 ft) roof overhang
- Cladding 19x96 mm (0.75x3.75 in) profiled wood
- Glaze included
- DWD board as roof sheathing, counter battens 25x40 mm (1x1.6 in), smooth-edged boards 21x195 mm (0.8x7.7 in)
- Anthracite trapezoidal sheet metal roofing
- Zinc gutter
- 240 mm (9.5 in) insulation WLG 032
- 40 mm (1.6 in) mineral wool insulation
- 40x60 mm (1.5x2.4 in) battens
- Vapor barrier
Interior walls:
- 60x80 mm (2.4x3.1 in) structural timber
- 12.5 mm (0.5 in) gypsum fiberboard
- 60 mm (2.4 in) soundproof mineral wool insulation
- Water-resistant gypsum board in bathrooms/WC
Ceiling:
- Rough-sawn boards 24 mm (1 in)
- 100 mm (4 in) mineral wool insulation
- 12.5 mm (0.5 in) gypsum fiberboard
Note: We’re currently considering exposed beams in the ground floor...
Windows/doors:
- Rekord company from Itzehoe
- quadro! blue for KfW 40 standard
- 86 mm (3.4 in) installation depth
- RC2N security class
- Exterior and interior window sills and cladding included
Package price: €115,950 (about $128,000)
External sealing installation: €35,900 (about $40,000)
Complete assembly: €69,650 (about $77,000)
Energy-efficient foundation slab €22,000 (about $24,300) (including slab for porch, which might be omitted)
Carport 3.5 m x 8 m (11.5 x 26 ft) with shed 3.5 m x 2.5 m (11.5 x 8 ft): €7,250 (about $8,000)
Electrical installation according to our requirements: €22,000 (about $24,300) (including Cat 7 network in living rooms, wall box preparation, and power supply to shed/carport)
Sanitary installation according to our requirements: approx. €16,000 (about $17,700) (2 showers, 2 toilets, 1 bathtub, 1 standard sink on the ground floor, and 1 large sink on the upper floor – sinks will be sourced by us separately)
Building application including structural calculation, energy saving regulations, energy certificate: €3,500 (about $3,900)
Externally contracted or self-purchased:
- Earthworks (budgeting €10,000)
- Infrared heating €5,500 (offered at €9,500)
- Photovoltaic system 20 kWp with 10 kWh battery, offer €32,000
- Floors (solid wood planks as plank flooring, if feasible) €6,000
- Domestic water heat pump €2,500
- 10,000-liter (2,642 gallon) cistern €4,000
- Energy efficiency expert €8,250
That’s the house in a nutshell.
The photovoltaic system is this large because a) we oriented the house to the south for this purpose, b) it’s the only thing that generates income, and c) otherwise, we would have to install a green roof. We also plan to green the porch roof. An electric car is planned in the medium term. We initially planned a ventilation system, but it was dropped for cost reasons; currently, I’m looking into decentralized ventilation systems. An air conditioning system was also planned but cut for budget reasons.
I think that’s it. Let the discussion begin 🙂
Thanks!
Best regards,
Paswina
I would like to present our house plan here for discussion. If I’m in the wrong forum, please feel free to move this post 🙂 Thanks! I usually read more than I post, so please forgive any beginner’s mistakes 🙂
In spring 2023, we received a letter from our landlord complaining about various issues. These apparently had been bothering him for a long time, which led us to believe that living together in this “multigenerational complex” no longer made sense for us. The neighborhood relationship is “poisoned.” However, the rental market in our city is completely crazy. My mother is often quickly enthusiastic about owning a home, so she spent a lot of free time searching for building areas for us. And she found one! In a small village of about 2,500 inhabitants in the middle of Rheinhessen, close to the highway and a train station, allowing me to manage my two days of office work without an expensive diesel car. The schools in the neighboring communities were also looking for teachers, so my girlfriend will start her new job there in September. Once the house is built and we’ve moved next year, her commute by train will only be 5 minutes.
Back to the building area. Around that time, I often read in the newspaper that some building plots were being returned. But building was never really an option for us, so we had relatively little equity. I emailed the mayor to ask if there was still a plot available. His answer: “Choose one!” He sent the plan, and we went there to see the plots in person. We focused on a small 320 sqm (3,444 sq ft) plot on the edge of the fields. However, when we tried to reserve it after a few days, the mayor unfortunately dashed our hopes: that plot had since been reserved by someone else! Slightly disappointed, we looked at the plan again and searched for the next best plot. This one was immediately €40,000 (about $44,000) more expensive... but at that point, we had no idea what everything would cost 🙂 We reserved this plot promptly and received confirmation of our reservation.
Meanwhile, I diligently ordered catalogs from many timber house builders. My girlfriend quickly decided it would be a timber house. Many houses from various manufacturers are truly beautiful, but unfortunately, also unaffordable for us. So we quickly focused on Talishaus as our first choice. Number two was Helios wooden houses from Hattstedt (about 10 minutes from Husum, where Talishaus is located). We also contacted Talishaus and received two offers: one for a bungalow (for the smaller plot) and another for a two-story house with a shed roof, as we currently live in a small house with a shed roof. But the prices brought us back down to reality again. So I picked a 1.5-story house from the Helios catalog and requested an offer for it.
We know the company Helios because my mother built with them in 2015. She said from the start that she had compared many offers and kept coming back to Helios. With each new offer I requested from other builders, it became more and more likely that we would build with Helios as well.
The contact is always friendly and helpful. The company has only five employees, so you always speak directly to the senior manager. We like their houses, the floor plans can be customized without any problems (which is always possible with timber houses), and the shed roof is also an option. Since my girlfriend is an art teacher, she visualized our house ideas for us. (I have attached two images; I’m not sure if they belong in the middle of the text or at the end).
Because our preferred plot allows it and the development plan doesn’t specify ridge direction, we want to orient the shed roof southwards. We also tried placing the house directly against the left or right boundary but didn’t like it. The development plan limits the maximum height to 7 m (23 ft) for houses with a roof pitch under 15°. The high side reaches 7 m (23 ft) with an interior height of 3.23 m (10 ft 7 in), and the low side is 2.32 m (7 ft 7 in) inside. We are also planning a small porch on the south side with space for bikes and possibly trash bins. We plan to add a seating area in the remaining space later.
It was clear to us, also because of the limited equity, that we definitely want to build with subsidies. Initially, we considered KfW with QNG certification, but the more offers and information I collected, the more we focused on the usual “climate-friendly new construction” without QNG.
The floor plan was from the very first version by the builder, but it only shares the exterior dimensions with the current plan. The attached house elevation was also drawn by my girlfriend and was mostly relevant for the window layout (the labeling of compass directions and house sides is correct, but the roof isn’t!).
We will probably receive the Helios plans soon, which will help us visualize everything better – I’ll update here then 🙂
Last week, we visited the company in person and met the window maker, the stair builder, and spoke with the electrician. We also had a short house tour with the junior manager, who just finished building a house.
Enough talking, here’s the house info:
Exterior walls:
- Pine log cladding 70x145 mm (3x6 inches) with chalet milling, with exposed end grain wood protected by solid wood covers
- Remmers HK glaze
- 16 mm (0.6 in) ventilation strip
- 16 mm (0.6 in) DWD board as wind barrier
- 200 mm (8 in) timber frame with insulation WLG 032 (thermal conductivity)
- 15 mm (0.6 in) OSB for vapor barrier
- Installation cavity 40x60 mm (1.5x2.4 in) with 60 mm (2.4 in) insulation WLG 035
- 12.5 mm (0.5 in) gypsum board
Roof:
- Shed roof 7° pitch
- 1 m (3.3 ft) roof overhang
- Cladding 19x96 mm (0.75x3.75 in) profiled wood
- Glaze included
- DWD board as roof sheathing, counter battens 25x40 mm (1x1.6 in), smooth-edged boards 21x195 mm (0.8x7.7 in)
- Anthracite trapezoidal sheet metal roofing
- Zinc gutter
- 240 mm (9.5 in) insulation WLG 032
- 40 mm (1.6 in) mineral wool insulation
- 40x60 mm (1.5x2.4 in) battens
- Vapor barrier
Interior walls:
- 60x80 mm (2.4x3.1 in) structural timber
- 12.5 mm (0.5 in) gypsum fiberboard
- 60 mm (2.4 in) soundproof mineral wool insulation
- Water-resistant gypsum board in bathrooms/WC
Ceiling:
- Rough-sawn boards 24 mm (1 in)
- 100 mm (4 in) mineral wool insulation
- 12.5 mm (0.5 in) gypsum fiberboard
Note: We’re currently considering exposed beams in the ground floor...
Windows/doors:
- Rekord company from Itzehoe
- quadro! blue for KfW 40 standard
- 86 mm (3.4 in) installation depth
- RC2N security class
- Exterior and interior window sills and cladding included
Package price: €115,950 (about $128,000)
External sealing installation: €35,900 (about $40,000)
Complete assembly: €69,650 (about $77,000)
Energy-efficient foundation slab €22,000 (about $24,300) (including slab for porch, which might be omitted)
Carport 3.5 m x 8 m (11.5 x 26 ft) with shed 3.5 m x 2.5 m (11.5 x 8 ft): €7,250 (about $8,000)
Electrical installation according to our requirements: €22,000 (about $24,300) (including Cat 7 network in living rooms, wall box preparation, and power supply to shed/carport)
Sanitary installation according to our requirements: approx. €16,000 (about $17,700) (2 showers, 2 toilets, 1 bathtub, 1 standard sink on the ground floor, and 1 large sink on the upper floor – sinks will be sourced by us separately)
Building application including structural calculation, energy saving regulations, energy certificate: €3,500 (about $3,900)
Externally contracted or self-purchased:
- Earthworks (budgeting €10,000)
- Infrared heating €5,500 (offered at €9,500)
- Photovoltaic system 20 kWp with 10 kWh battery, offer €32,000
- Floors (solid wood planks as plank flooring, if feasible) €6,000
- Domestic water heat pump €2,500
- 10,000-liter (2,642 gallon) cistern €4,000
- Energy efficiency expert €8,250
That’s the house in a nutshell.
The photovoltaic system is this large because a) we oriented the house to the south for this purpose, b) it’s the only thing that generates income, and c) otherwise, we would have to install a green roof. We also plan to green the porch roof. An electric car is planned in the medium term. We initially planned a ventilation system, but it was dropped for cost reasons; currently, I’m looking into decentralized ventilation systems. An air conditioning system was also planned but cut for budget reasons.
I think that’s it. Let the discussion begin 🙂
Thanks!
Best regards,
Paswina
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hanghaus202315 Aug 2023 13:30Paswina schrieb:
@hanghaus2023 my girlfriendWhat do you want to say with that? If anything, boyfriend.hanghaus2023 schrieb:
What do you mean by that? If anything, it should be friend.You askedhanghaus2023 schrieb:
Who created the pictures?30 characters 30 characters 30 characters ...https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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hanghaus202315 Aug 2023 14:48Phew... Painting the exterior facade (probably twice), all interior painting, and all tiling work – wow. Who will take care of the child while your girlfriend is doing all this and working on the side? A part-time teaching job is more like a full-time job… Are you doing any work yourself? €6,000 material costs for 140 sqm (1,507 sq ft) of flooring, adhesive, baseboards, and everything else that comes up?
How far is the building plot from where you currently live?
I haven’t seen anything about interior doors – will those be provided by the house builder as well?
So you have walls about 8.5 cm (3.3 inches) thick if I’m interpreting this correctly? Attaching anything to that will be challenging, and the 60 mm (2.4 inch) thick "soundproof" insulation won’t block much – are you aware of this? Especially on the walls adjacent to the bathroom…
How far is the building plot from where you currently live?
I haven’t seen anything about interior doors – will those be provided by the house builder as well?
Paswina schrieb:
Interior walls:
- 60x80mm (2.4x3.1 inch) structural timber (KVH)
- 12.5mm (0.5 inch) drywall (GKF)
- 60mm (2.4 inch) soundproof mineral wool insulation
- moisture-resistant drywall (GKFi) for bathroom/WC
So you have walls about 8.5 cm (3.3 inches) thick if I’m interpreting this correctly? Attaching anything to that will be challenging, and the 60 mm (2.4 inch) thick "soundproof" insulation won’t block much – are you aware of this? Especially on the walls adjacent to the bathroom…
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Your girlfriend is not respecting the building boundary on the southeast and southwest sides. In my opinion, the terrace and entrance roof should also not extend beyond the building boundary.
Thanks @hanghaus2023, that was just a sketch on the iPad; the builder will draw it properly, also for the building permit / planning permission. We and the builder will double-check the terrace and entrance roof, in our case the veranda, against legal requirements!
-LotteS- schrieb:
Phew... painting the exterior façade (probably twice), all interior painting, and all the tiling work – wow. Who will look after the child while your girlfriend is doing all this and working on the side? A part-time teaching job is rather like a full-time one... Are you doing any of the work yourselves? €6,000 material costs for 140 sqm (1,505 sq ft) of flooring, adhesives, baseboards, and everything else needed?
How far is the building plot from where you currently live?
I haven’t seen anything about interior doors yet – are those included with the builder?
If I’m reading it right, the walls will be 8.5 cm (3.3 inches) thick? Attaching anything to that will be tricky, plus the 60 mm (2.4 inches) thick “sound insulation” won’t provide much noise reduction – are you aware of that? Especially on the walls bordering the bathroom... The child is in daycare 🙂 The building plot is about 25 minutes away from where we live now. The builder offers interior doors as well, and they are included in the quote, but we might buy them elsewhere. I’m not planning to do much work myself, similar to what my girlfriend does. We know about the interior walls; we’re still unsure if we want to add OSB boards behind them everywhere. That would add around €2,600 plus installation costs. Installation by the builder would cost €6,700; if the builder also supplies the OSB, it would be €4,300 for the OSB.
As for the flooring, it currently costs €6,000 including everything needed. Since we still have some buffer in the budget, which we’d also like to spend on good flooring, things will very likely change 🙂
So, the child stays at the daycare until about 3 p.m. Your girlfriend might work until 12 p.m., then spend two hours at the construction site (since each trip takes around 25 minutes), and then look after the child because you work full-time. In the evening, will you both go to the construction site with the child? Or just you? Or only on weekends?
How many hours are you estimating for painting the facade, finishing the walls, installing the floors, fitting the doors, possibly adding the OSB panels, installing interior and exterior window sills, building the carport with the family, creating the base waterproofing and drainage—did I miss anything?
The buffer is basically there to cover things you might have forgotten or that turn out to be unexpectedly more expensive. What else have you already mentally accounted for? What about the kitchen and possibly new furniture? Lamps, curtains, fly screens, and so on?
The most important thing is that you are honest about your numbers, your plans, and especially the time you realistically have available for everything you want to do yourselves. Since your girlfriend plans to do most of the work herself and you, if at all, just support her—how do you imagine this working in practice? Have you done anything like this before?
Doing your own work is unfortunately not a given... The child could be sick, childcare options are limited during holidays, vacation time is limited, and every small family needs rest. Keep this in mind if you don’t want to move in a year later (which would cost quite a bit extra!).
Speaking of extra costs: How much of a double burden have you accounted for? The builder usually wants payment between the down payment and the final handover. The longer you take with the self-performed work (and the materials you need), the more expensive it gets. Can you cover that in your budget?
How many hours are you estimating for painting the facade, finishing the walls, installing the floors, fitting the doors, possibly adding the OSB panels, installing interior and exterior window sills, building the carport with the family, creating the base waterproofing and drainage—did I miss anything?
The buffer is basically there to cover things you might have forgotten or that turn out to be unexpectedly more expensive. What else have you already mentally accounted for? What about the kitchen and possibly new furniture? Lamps, curtains, fly screens, and so on?
The most important thing is that you are honest about your numbers, your plans, and especially the time you realistically have available for everything you want to do yourselves. Since your girlfriend plans to do most of the work herself and you, if at all, just support her—how do you imagine this working in practice? Have you done anything like this before?
Doing your own work is unfortunately not a given... The child could be sick, childcare options are limited during holidays, vacation time is limited, and every small family needs rest. Keep this in mind if you don’t want to move in a year later (which would cost quite a bit extra!).
Speaking of extra costs: How much of a double burden have you accounted for? The builder usually wants payment between the down payment and the final handover. The longer you take with the self-performed work (and the materials you need), the more expensive it gets. Can you cover that in your budget?
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