ᐅ Heating System Reliability During Power Outages – What Are the Options?
Created on: 27 Feb 2018 12:01
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Freddy123
Dear members,
This is my first post in the forum, and I am looking forward to becoming part of the community.
I work as an IT technician, and if I can offer any advice regarding home networking, home automation, etc., I am happy to share my knowledge and provide help at any time.
Regarding my concern:
I have a ground-source heat pump in my house that heats a cistern. For the particularly cold months, the system is supported by a water-based pellet stove, which is centrally located in the basement and also serves as a heating source. Unfortunately, there is only one chimney in the house connected to the pellet stove, and I would prefer not to have an external chimney added to the outside.
This means I am completely dependent on electricity and cannot heat during a power outage. Therefore, my question:
Does anyone in the forum know of a water-based hybrid stove that can be operated with either firewood or pellets, which I could install in place of the pellet stove in the basement?
So far, my search has been unsuccessful.
Thank you for your responses and efforts.
Best regards from Munich
Markus
This is my first post in the forum, and I am looking forward to becoming part of the community.
I work as an IT technician, and if I can offer any advice regarding home networking, home automation, etc., I am happy to share my knowledge and provide help at any time.
Regarding my concern:
I have a ground-source heat pump in my house that heats a cistern. For the particularly cold months, the system is supported by a water-based pellet stove, which is centrally located in the basement and also serves as a heating source. Unfortunately, there is only one chimney in the house connected to the pellet stove, and I would prefer not to have an external chimney added to the outside.
This means I am completely dependent on electricity and cannot heat during a power outage. Therefore, my question:
Does anyone in the forum know of a water-based hybrid stove that can be operated with either firewood or pellets, which I could install in place of the pellet stove in the basement?
So far, my search has been unsuccessful.
Thank you for your responses and efforts.
Best regards from Munich
Markus
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HilfeHilfe27 Feb 2018 14:14Freddy123 schrieb:
@readytorumble - What kind of off-topic comment is that? This could very well be my problem. Did I ask for an evaluation? No. I asked for a recommendation for such a system. You IT people are a strange bunch when you don’t want to listen to what’s on someone’s mind. A stove like that just isn’t Industry 4.0.
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kkk27272927 Feb 2018 14:26For systems that can be heated with firewood or pellets, try searching on Google for "kombikessel scheitholz pellets." They are available from almost all manufacturers.
But as mentioned, the pumps, fans, and controls must be running (possibly a large UPS)?
But as mentioned, the pumps, fans, and controls must be running (possibly a large UPS)?
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Freddy12327 Feb 2018 14:40@HilfeHilfe – This is exactly what goes wrong in every forum: you politely ask for tips or experiences and get completely meaningless answers from people who just want to share something without real relevance. So I’m not interested in cost calculations or internet connections, but a knowledgeable opinion. When someone asks me something technical, I don’t tell them what my dog had for breakfast.
@The hybrid stoves I found unfortunately all lacked water heating integration; the only exception seems to be the SHT Vario Aqua, but if I understand correctly, it is a standalone fully functional heating system.
@The hybrid stoves I found unfortunately all lacked water heating integration; the only exception seems to be the SHT Vario Aqua, but if I understand correctly, it is a standalone fully functional heating system.
None of the responses were off-topic. The lack of knowledge and understanding is on your side.
You specifically asked about a system that works without electricity. Your idea of a hydronic hybrid system is not one of those.
Even if the system is manually fueled, a hydronic stove requires electricity to operate the necessary pumps—at least two of them. This means your idea is not feasible.
Obviously, as long as you don’t understand this, you will see the other advice as unhelpful.
To make it clear once again: a hydronic stove cannot serve as a backup in case of power failure.
You specifically asked about a system that works without electricity. Your idea of a hydronic hybrid system is not one of those.
Even if the system is manually fueled, a hydronic stove requires electricity to operate the necessary pumps—at least two of them. This means your idea is not feasible.
Obviously, as long as you don’t understand this, you will see the other advice as unhelpful.
To make it clear once again: a hydronic stove cannot serve as a backup in case of power failure.
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readytorumble27 Feb 2018 14:54Good grief, no one has done anything to you.
If someone makes a stupid comment here, it’s the community’s job to point it out.
It’s meant kindly so you don’t spend more than €5,000 (about $5,500) for almost no benefit.
You’re also not answering some users’ questions, so why should we only answer yours and not think outside the box a little?
How many power outages do you have per year, and how long do they last?
If someone makes a stupid comment here, it’s the community’s job to point it out.
It’s meant kindly so you don’t spend more than €5,000 (about $5,500) for almost no benefit.
You’re also not answering some users’ questions, so why should we only answer yours and not think outside the box a little?
How many power outages do you have per year, and how long do they last?
Freddy123 schrieb:
This is exactly what goes wrong in every forum: you politely ask for tips or experiences and receive completely pointless answers from people who just want to share their opinions and nothing more.Yep, that’s exactly what’s wrong here. People give you advice and try to make you understand that what you want simply won’t work. But you don’t want to accept that…
To be blunt:
Your heating system won’t work without electricity, no matter what kind of stove you put down there. That’s how it is and that won’t change. You can find that really unfair and throw a tantrum crying “but I want it!” — it won’t help!
I think your idea to have a backup solution for emergencies is quite reasonable, but:
It has to work!
If you stubbornly refuse to face reality and accept the simple physical fact that electric motors (i.e., circulation pump/blower/control unit) NEED electricity and cannot run on air/love/laying on hands/wood/coal, then you really have a serious misunderstanding…
If you absolutely want something that works completely without electricity, put a wood stove or fireplace in the living room (yes, you don’t want that — tough luck, physics doesn’t care about what you want). At least then you can heat the living room and, in an emergency, warm up a tin can on it.
Alright, I’m out of here, this is probably completely pointless and hopeless…
Regards,
Andreas
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