ᐅ Heating circuits/thermostats for living/dining/kitchen areas with underfloor heating/heat pump

Created on: 26 Mar 2016 11:42
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na4012
We have the following question. Is it advisable to install separate heating circuits with individual thermostats for an open-plan living/dining/kitchen area (40 m² (430 ft²) + 14 m² (150 ft²))? The energy source is an air-to-water heat pump. As I understand it, this is a low-temperature heating system that should heat the entire space — which, from my point of view, is the whole open living/dining/kitchen area — as one unit. It’s not about having warm feet. Our builder has proposed three heating circuits with three thermostats. We are wondering whether this is really necessary or if we could save costs here. From your perspective, is there a good reason to install three (living/dining/kitchen) or perhaps two (living/dining and kitchen) heating circuits?

Thank you very much!
Mycraft30 Mar 2016 10:17
Well, apparently it’s at the level of an old building; otherwise, all the constant switching back and forth wouldn’t work...

Morning, noon, and evening – what kind of heat pump is installed there that can handle this kind of operation?
Wastl schrieb:
In winter, I want it to be about 21°C (70°F) during the day and 18°C (64°F) at night,... It’s frustrating if I don’t have a controller.

Pssst… you can easily achieve that in a modern house without extra controllers; you just need to do more than build heating circuits and manifolds according to a fixed template and then rely on emergency measures.
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Wastl
30 Mar 2016 14:54
Mycraft schrieb:

Pssst... you can easily manage this in a modern house without additional controllers, you just need to do a bit more than building the heating circuits and manifolds according to the usual template and then working with emergency brakes.

KFW55 house, built in 2012.
You master explainer – how do you want to handle it if you simply have different comfort needs at different times of day? Open the manifold box and fiddle with it every time? Or install a fully electric system right away?
nordanney schrieb:

What a hassle, turning it up in the morning so it’s warm at noon and then turning it down so it’s cooler in the evening. Do your kids actually always close the doors so that it works? In our house, the whole space is basically open during the day (only some bathroom doors or the door to the parents’ area are closed), so I can adjust the controls all I want, but it doesn’t make any difference room by room.

I wouldn’t call it a hassle. When the kids get up, I turn it up; when they come home from kindergarten at midday, I turn it down...
During the day the doors are mostly open, so the hallway gets heated as well, but at night I want it cooler, and if the hallway cools down then, I don’t mind. The kids are all on the first floor – basically, besides the bathroom, the same routine happens in all three kids’ rooms... And it makes a noticeable difference – I can’t say if it’s 1, 2, or 3 degrees or more, but there is a felt difference depending on whether the heating was on or not (because I intentionally keep the room cool at night).
What temperature do you keep in the kids’ rooms at night?
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Sebastian79
30 Mar 2016 14:57
Normally, no cooling is installed there, but when I hear that the hallways don’t have a heating circuit, it’s no surprise that it somehow works.

Constantly adjusting it would annoy me and reduce the pump’s efficiency.

For quick heating, I have planned air conditioning units in the rooms. This way, there is no need to keep the temperature constantly high.
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nordanney
30 Mar 2016 15:28
Wastl schrieb:
What temperature do you have at night in the children's bedrooms?

In our case, it’s around 21-22 degrees Celsius (70-72°F). Our twins (8 years old) as well as our little one (just turned 3) sleep very well with that. They use light summer blankets, and everything works fine.
In the past two years, I haven’t adjusted the ERR at all (well, except for dusting it!). The ventilation system alone prevents the rooms from cooling down like they do in your case. It’s better to open the windows when putting the kids to bed, letting in fresh, cool air for falling asleep, and keep the heating running.
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Wastl
30 Mar 2016 15:41
Sebastian79 schrieb:
Normally, you don’t do anything to cool, but when I hear that the hallways don’t have a heating loop, it’s no surprise that it somehow works out.

Yep – my hallway is 2 sqm (21.5 sq ft),… Of course I need a separate heating circuit there,…
nordanney schrieb:
Just the ventilation system alone prevents it from cooling down like it does in your case. Better to open the windows when putting the kids to bed, letting in fresh and properly cool air for falling asleep, while keeping the heating running.

Nothing cools down in my case either; I also have a ventilation system – I’m not trying to promote my solution, just want to point out that there are situations where a cooling circuit (ERR) makes sense.
21–22 degrees Celsius (70–72°F) is simply too warm, especially for small children – but that’s just my opinion.

What bothers me is your statement that ERR is always pointless – sure, I’d rather install AC units everywhere,… Just clarify that it doesn’t make sense in your case and leave it at that.
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Sebastian79
30 Mar 2016 15:44
OK, 2 square meters is really nonsense. I hadn’t thought that far.

Temperatures in toddlers can be debated...