Hello,
In my neighborhood, heat pumps are gradually failing. One common reason mentioned is the shutdown periods during which heat pumps practically come to a complete stop.
One neighbor has now switched from peak/off-peak tariffs to a regular household electricity tariff without any shutdown periods.
What do you think about this? How are the electricity conditions where you live, is it worth switching? The heat pump tariffs don’t seem significantly cheaper when I look closely.
In my neighborhood, heat pumps are gradually failing. One common reason mentioned is the shutdown periods during which heat pumps practically come to a complete stop.
One neighbor has now switched from peak/off-peak tariffs to a regular household electricity tariff without any shutdown periods.
What do you think about this? How are the electricity conditions where you live, is it worth switching? The heat pump tariffs don’t seem significantly cheaper when I look closely.
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nordanney28 Mar 2025 17:22motorradsilke schrieb:
If you pay a basic fee of 240 euros, it’s no surprise that your kWh price is so low.That is the lowest basic fee for a heat pump tariff available where I am. It is not the basic fee for regular household electricity.I only calculate the costs for the separate tariff. The basic fee for household electricity does not matter since it is a fixed cost anyway.
==> so for me, an additional 240€ basic fee means I can only save 150€.
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motorradsilke28 Mar 2025 17:54nordanney schrieb:
This is the lowest base price for a heat pump tariff available to me, not the base price for regular household electricity.
I only calculate what the separate tariff costs me. The base price for household electricity doesn’t matter since those are fixed costs anyway.
==> So for me, an additional base price of €240 (about $260) to save €150 (about $160). That usually doesn’t pay off. It really depends on where you live. You shouldn’t generalize this, but always calculate it individually.
For us, it also varies from year to year.
Currently, 22 cents per kWh for the heat pump with a 12 euro (about 12 US dollars) basic fee. It was around 17 cents three years ago, then went up to 27 cents.
And for the household rate, 27 cents per kWh with a 14 euro (about 14 US dollars) basic fee. It was also once at 31 cents.
At the moment, the tariff unfortunately only runs until May, then it goes back to 31 cents and a 15 euro (about 15 US dollars) basic fee.
I haven’t found anything cheaper yet.
Household consumption 4500 kWh and heat pump 4000 kWh.
4000 x 0.22 + 12 x 12 equals 1040 euros (about 1040 US dollars) per year.
Difference is about 200 euros (about 200 US dollars) in favor of the heat pump tariff.
Currently, 22 cents per kWh for the heat pump with a 12 euro (about 12 US dollars) basic fee. It was around 17 cents three years ago, then went up to 27 cents.
And for the household rate, 27 cents per kWh with a 14 euro (about 14 US dollars) basic fee. It was also once at 31 cents.
At the moment, the tariff unfortunately only runs until May, then it goes back to 31 cents and a 15 euro (about 15 US dollars) basic fee.
I haven’t found anything cheaper yet.
Household consumption 4500 kWh and heat pump 4000 kWh.
4000 x 0.22 + 12 x 12 equals 1040 euros (about 1040 US dollars) per year.
Difference is about 200 euros (about 200 US dollars) in favor of the heat pump tariff.
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MachsSelbst31 Mar 2025 10:32Whether it is financially worthwhile or not is a secondary issue in this case. Operators need this option for a time-limited load shedding to keep the grids stable.
In this regard, it is, on the one hand, highly inconsiderate, which would not be new in a country of egotists.
However, if everyone operates their heat pumps on the standard electricity tariff, it will, sooner or later (more likely sooner), lead to a general requirement for a second meter (with network operator override capability), and the special heat pump tariff will simply be discontinued. Because if the meter is mandatory anyway, there is no longer a need for an incentive in the form of cheaper electricity.
As is often the case: if everyone has their vehicle repaired at their preferred workshop instead of those chosen by the insurance company, insurance premiums for everyone will simply rise.
In this regard, it is, on the one hand, highly inconsiderate, which would not be new in a country of egotists.
However, if everyone operates their heat pumps on the standard electricity tariff, it will, sooner or later (more likely sooner), lead to a general requirement for a second meter (with network operator override capability), and the special heat pump tariff will simply be discontinued. Because if the meter is mandatory anyway, there is no longer a need for an incentive in the form of cheaper electricity.
As is often the case: if everyone has their vehicle repaired at their preferred workshop instead of those chosen by the insurance company, insurance premiums for everyone will simply rise.
MachsSelbst schrieb:
If everyone runs their heat pumps on the standard electricity rate, it will sooner or later (more likely sooner) lead to a general requirement for a second meter (with network operators having access control), and the special heat pump tariff will simply be discontinued.
New heat pumps must be designed to be disconnectable anyway, so a second meter is not necessary.
MachsSelbst schrieb:
Whether it makes financial sense or not is a secondary issue in this case. Operators need this option of a time-limited (tight) load shedding to keep the grids stable.
In this respect, it is, on one hand, highly inconsiderate, which, in the country of egotists, is nothing new.
However, if everyone runs their heat pumps on the regular electricity tariff, it will, sooner rather than later (likely sooner), lead to a general requirement for a second meter (with grid operators having override access), and the special heat pump tariff will simply be abolished. Because if the meter becomes mandatory anyway, the incentive of cheaper electricity is no longer needed.
As is common everywhere. If everyone chooses to have their vehicle repaired at their preferred workshop instead of one selected by the insurance company, insurance premiums for everyone will rise. So should I be expected to pay higher heating costs for years now? I don’t think so. The operators need to come up with a better solution. Finding a solution is really not the consumer’s problem.
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