ᐅ Heat pump for 148 sqm KfW55 house

Created on: 13 Nov 2022 11:27
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junijulibaut
Dear heat pump experts and experienced home builders,

I would like to better understand what heat pump capacity we actually need.

Our project:
2 full floors
No basement
148 sqm (1,593 sq ft)
KFW55 standard

In our energy demand calculation, a 6 kW air-to-water heat pump is recommended.
However, the heating load calculation in the plan specifies an 8 kW air-to-air heat pump.
Both calculations seem to follow a standard procedure, as this is a developer project.
Which figures in both documents should I focus on?

To me, 8 kW seems quite high, but this is just a feeling formed by reading here in the forum.

The underfloor heating is already installed, also standard, and the screed has been curing for 4 weeks, waiting for the system to be heated up.
But there is no heat pump installed yet.
The builder would credit us €15,000 if we handle the purchase and installation of the heat pump ourselves.

All these questions are overwhelming us.
Is this even possible? Can we choose a different model or manufacturer?
Is it worthwhile, is €15,000 a reasonable amount?
Is 6 kW enough? ...
We need solid information to stand our ground with the builder.

Help!
Thanks!
KingJulien17 Nov 2022 10:12
Is there a generally accepted minimum operating time that is considered gentle on the materials?
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Alessandro
17 Nov 2022 10:34
This varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and depending on the type of construction. The settings are often configured at the factory to always ensure the minimum operating time. Buffers and hydraulic diverter valves further guarantee this. Often, this is between 10 and 15 minutes.
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Daniel-Sp
17 Nov 2022 11:49
In a new building with underfloor heating, a hydraulic separator and usually a heating buffer can be avoided if the underfloor heating is well planned and executed. A hydraulic separator, in particular, can become an efficiency killer (as can a bypass valve).

However, this requires careful planning, execution, and operation.

Search online for flow30 and study the topic in detail.
KingJulien17 Nov 2022 12:18
This will only cause you unnecessary headaches with the developer project. You already have fundamental issues regarding the sizing. There won’t be much happening with "flow30."
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Alessandro
17 Nov 2022 13:19
Buffer, valve, safety valve, and pressure relief valve are the compensators for poor hydraulic work. Therefore, I can understand any manufacturer who requires such components. Unfortunately, the installer is often just as inexperienced as the homeowner 🙄
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junijulibaut
17 Nov 2022 15:44
Thanks for all the responses.

Here are a few photos. In the bathrooms, the pipe spacing is closer to 10cm (4 inches), while in the living areas it is about 15cm (6 inches).

@SaniererNRW123
It is a developer, although the company often interprets the boundaries with the general contractor (GC) as fluid. The notarized contract was in two parts: the land came from the project GmbH, and the construction contract from the construction GmbH, all subsidiaries. We knew this and still chose it. I do not regret it; I would choose the land again. However, if I had the choice, I would have picked the GC myself. Especially regarding contract terms, we had no flexibility, and we did try.
Construction time: 52 weeks
No contractual penalties
At least it is a consumer building contract

@Bauenaberwie
We received the heating load calculation after being advised that we could actually arrange the pump ourselves.
Standard heating load: 5115 W
Design heating load (with warm-up factor): 6233 W

Talking with the tradespeople on site and clarifying minor things works fairly well depending on the trade, but especially with the plumbing... not at all. A one-man company who seems completely overwhelmed, with his wife acting as secretary.

Getting in touch with the developer is also insufficient. On the phone, only sharp or non-decisive secretaries, and almost no answers to emails.
Instead, we get mildly threatening letters:
Because they cannot procure the heat pump on time, the house will be finished without it.
To dry the screed, they are renting us a “hot box” for €275 per week (3 weeks rental).
Afterwards, they provide a fan heater for 8 weeks (free of charge, no less) so the trades like the tilers can continue working.
Then we are supposed to accept the house without the heat pump, which will be installed later.

That’s where it gets out of hand.
In our opinion, the “hot box” should be provided rent-free, since we are already paying enough for electricity costs.
We do not want to accept the house without the heat pump, and according to the building code, we are not obliged to do so.

@Baranej
Thanks for the encouragement. It will probably be the 8kW unit at some point. We just have to make the best of it.

@Alessandro
Thanks for the tip about the planning tool.
I entered the data. It looks like a 6kW system (blue line) is recommended, but the 8kW is close. Screenshots attached.

Oslo: New build, underfloor heating, 3 people, set temperature 20°C (68°F), 6,233 W heating demand, heating load without hot water


Underfloor heating: red pipes spiraled on mesh reinforcement on a construction site.


Underfloor heating: red pipes spiraled on insulation layer.


Underfloor heating: red pipes spiraled on mesh layer, indoor construction site with window walls.


Comparison table of heat pumps CS3400iAWS with performance data and costs.


Chart: heating load in kW versus outdoor temperature for multiple system configurations; table with values.

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