ᐅ Renovation of guest toilet (1.65 sqm) and bathroom (4.88 sqm)

Created on: 18 Apr 2020 16:58
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dankon7gookoel
Hello everyone, this is my first post in this great forum. Until now, we (two adults, a 1-year-old, and a 3-year-old) have always rented a place with 80 sqm (860 sq ft). Now we have bought a 4-room apartment of 85 sqm (915 sq ft), built in the 1960s, on the right bank of the Rhine in Cologne.

So far, very little has been done in the apartment and it has just been gutted. We need new vinyl flooring with baseboards, completely new electrical installation with RCD (residual current device) and Cat7 cabling, new bathrooms (very small, which I believe is typical for the building period), new tiles, and also new plaster and wallpaper, and so on... We will keep the IKEA kitchen, which will only get a new tile backsplash.

The biggest “construction project” is the bathroom: I’ll share our plans and thoughts here. I hope you’ll join in and comment.

The first plumber we spoke to only wanted to sell us items from his stock of sanitary components (is that the right term?), and that came to about 10,000 euros without the soil pipes. But all the parts were from the company Sanibel and some looked really bad — especially the toilet. The price markups here were about 3/4 to 1.5 times.

We now have a different plumber who confirmed he would also help us, for example by ordering stock items directly from Megabad. Here are the two projects: guest WC

Renovation of the guest WC (1.22m x 1.36m = 1.65 sqm / 4 ft x 4.5 ft = 17.7 sq ft)

  • Possible instant water heater? (This requires a high-power electrical connection, which is expensive and probably unnecessary, according to my partner... I’m unsure if it would improve usability and the resale value of the apartment in case we find a better place or a house.)
  • Small washbasin, preferably with a vanity cabinet (round or rectangular, depending on which fits better in the space — e.g., Godmorgon from Ikea? versus Geberit Icon with something underneath or wall-mounted)
  • Toilet, preferably a wall-hung close-coupled toilet with concealed cistern (Geberit or similar, flush plates like Sigma 01, which we have in our current rented apartment)
  • Possibly a small towel radiator, 45 cm wide, less than 1 m high, if it fits
  • Omit wall tiles? But then the area around the recessed in-wall cistern might look odd, probably

2D floor plan with hallway and bathroom, measurements 1.31 m x 1.20 m


And this is what it currently looks like:

Small WC with peeling yellow wall paint, washbasin and toilet, exposed pipes.


For the small bathroom, there’s also the idea of moving the door to open outward towards the front door. This wouldn’t cause much disturbance and would mean we wouldn’t have to consider the door swing inside the bathroom. The question is whether this would gain us significantly more space to plan differently or if it wouldn’t make much of a difference. The bathroom is very small anyway; here is the current status.

Bathroom renovation (by shifting the wall: 3.05m x 1.6m = 4.88 sqm / 10 ft x 5.25 ft = 52.5 sq ft)

  • Instant water heater
  • Large shower bath (about 1.70m x 75 cm) (5 ft 7 in x 30 in) with splash guard wall versus a large bathtub with later add-ons... I’m unclear if shower baths are really worth the extra cost.
  • Large washbasin (Geberit Icon, Ideal Standard, or similar)
  • Long, wide towel radiator next to the door (75 cm x at least 112 cm) (30 in x 44 in)
  • Tile backsplash 1.20 m (4 ft) or slightly higher around the bathtub

Bathroom floor plan with bathtub, washbasin and toilet in 2D layout


And this is how it looks now:

Renovation area with radiator, open wall and exposed masonry.


Interior under construction with open wall, loose bricks and hanging light fixture.


Unplastered bathroom wall with bricks, plaster remnants, cables and sanitary pipes.


What do you think of our plans? Where should I give this more thought? Do you have a similar city apartment and have planned similar renovations? (Honestly, I don’t even know where to start; as I said, we are renovating EVERYTHING except the windows and other common property. The bathroom and the tiles are currently the most urgent. I thought I’d post here.)

I’d be happy to hear your opinions and suggestions. Although it’s only 5 sqm (54 sq ft) and 1.5 sqm (16 sq ft), we want to use it for four people. Do you have ideas for good fittings?

Oh, and including renewal of the apartment’s plumbing parts, we don’t want to spend more than 20,000 euros (plumbing installation / tiles / screed replacement in the bathroom / pipe renewal in the building)… that should be doable, right? I’m a rookie and hope I can start a discussion here about our plans and everything related to this.
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dankon7gookoel
20 Apr 2020 13:04
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Scout schrieb:

For the guest bathroom, I would consider a small storage water heater, which can also fit under a small sink and operates on 230 volts, for example the AEG 236 284. Five liters of hot water is more than enough for washing hands twice, and the tank refills within a few minutes. At 70 euros for a replacement, it’s a no-brainer.

Hey, that’s actually what we want to do, 5 liters flow-through, got it. I had googled the device and then came across many negative reviews on Hornbach’s site. (I would have linked it here, but I have already been reprimanded for linking to commercial websites [very broad term!]). So I’ll throw some well-rated alternatives into the ring that are also available quickly on major bathroom supply sites cc:
* AEG non-pressurized small storage heater Huz 5 Base, 5l (1.3 gallons), 2kW, plug-and-play, under-counter, energy efficiency class A, 222162
But I will also do some more research based on the devices available in online stores.
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dankon7gookoel
20 Apr 2020 13:14
Pinky0301 schrieb:

You should definitely try a 160 cm (63 inch) bathtub sometime. I don’t think that’s really large, is it?

Actually, depending on the store, there are 160 x 100 cm (63 x 39 inch) rectangular tubs available, so not just the asymmetrical space-saving models. (oh, again: I would like to link directly to the search filter in the shopping portal where this is preset, but I guess that’s not allowed, right, Admin? @others: what’s the policy on direct product links on Idealo, are those permitted? I’d rather avoid stepping into any trouble again)

However, these 160 cm (63 inch) tubs probably require some skill from the installer, or ELSE we have to go with a 150 cm (59 inch) option since the room is only 167 cm (66 inch) wide...

(that’s also a tricky issue — we’re still looking for someone in the Cologne area; the currently recommended installer is hard to reach, so we might have to look around again. So if anyone knows an HVAC/plumbing company in Cologne who could take on our bathrooms and other work on short notice, that would be possible)

Greetings from Cologne,
Daniel
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Aphrodithe
20 Apr 2020 23:59
I still don’t see a toilet in the main bathroom?? Leave the bathtub, at the top of the plan a large walk-in shower with a 100cm (40 inch) glass wall, then a large double vanity, and definitely a toilet. Consider seamless alternatives!
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Scout
21 Apr 2020 09:11
Floor plan of a bathroom from above: Bathtub on the left, yellow washbasin at the bottom, gray tiles, door on the right.


With a sliding door to the bathroom (if the wall is not load-bearing), toilet, bathtub, and shower. The washbasin can be moved slightly to the corner, which would create more space between it and the toilet. Instead of having both a bathtub and a shower, a large corner bathtub could also work.
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Aphrodithe
21 Apr 2020 10:02
Scout schrieb:

With a sliding door to the bathroom (if it’s not a load-bearing wall), toilet, bathtub, and shower. The sink can be moved to the corner, which creates more space between it and the toilet. Instead of both a bathtub and shower, a large corner bathtub would also work.
If you like something like that, keep in mind the room won’t feel bigger—it will remain cramped and tight. It’s better to skip the bathtub and create a large, open shower area. Consider how often you’ve actually used the bathtub in the last three months and then ask yourself if it’s really necessary. Just because you can somehow squeeze it in around the corner doesn’t mean it’s attractive or practical.
With only 5m² (54 sq ft), compromises have to be made.
Best regards
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Scout
21 Apr 2020 11:27
Basically, I agree with you. But we were talking about children here (one and three years old). In this case, a bathtub is definitely very practical.