ᐅ Floor plan design for a single-family house, 165 sqm, without a basement, on a 400 sqm plot
Created on: 10 Aug 2023 09:33
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Maulwurfbau
At the request of 11ant, here is a post with the completed list ;-) Unfortunately, he still doesn’t have a crystal ball.
Providing all information possible/available at this point in time.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 400 sqm (4300 sq ft)
Slope: No, and no means no!
Floor space index (FSI): 0.4
Floor area ratio (FAR): ?
Building envelope, building line and boundary: Yes, available.
Edge development: Possible with garage.
Number of parking spaces: at least 1, preferably 2
Number of storeys: 1-2
Roof type: Gable roof (pitch minimum 31°, maximum 45°)
Architectural style: ??
Orientation: Gable end facing
Maximum heights / limits: Roof ridge 6-7 m (20-23 ft), eaves 9-12 m (30-39 ft)
Other requirements: No brick facades allowed. Driveway or space in front of garage at least 6 m (20 ft). Red roof tiles mandatory, light facade.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: Gable roof, fixed
Basement, storeys: 2 full storeys without basement
Number of occupants, age: 4 people (2 toddlers)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Office: Family use or home office? Office of approx. 12 sqm (130 sq ft) is a must.
Guest bedrooms per year: Few
Open or closed architecture: ? Whatever that means.
Conservative or modern construction style: rather modern construction.
Open kitchen, cooking island: Open kitchen, possibly with cooking island
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: NO
Music / stereo wall: Not planned, TV location is quite important.
Balcony, roof terrace: NO
Garage, carport: Garage desired. Carport with storage box also conceivable.
Utility garden, greenhouse: NO
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, preferably with reasons for choices:
Laundry room on the upper floor. They want to do laundry where it is generated and where it must be returned clean. Anything else is a hassle, at least for us.
House Design
Who designed the plan: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why?
Everything we provided as basic information and what our daily life requires has been implemented.
We like the clear lines/structure.
The open space in the hallway.
The connection/proximity of all rooms on ground and upper floors that need water/sewage. So no funny business with the bathroom upstairs in one corner and the utility room diagonally opposite on the ground floor. Personally, I like that.
No bay windows or other awkward extensions.
Laundry room upstairs where the washer and dryer are planned.
What don’t you like? Why?
The living room might be a bit too exposed for us. It could also be a cozy nook with TV without direct view of the kitchen. Cooking and eating together openly is liked; the living room could be a bit more separate. Currently, the floor plan shows it like a narrow, rather shadowy corner.
The somewhat narrow bedroom upstairs is not a dealbreaker but not 100% pleasing.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
-
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures and fittings:
500-575k
Preferred heating system:
Predefined, ground source heat pump with collector. Cold local heating network.
If you have to give up, which details/extras
-can you do without:
The small additional room for the father upstairs.
Garage, as mentioned carport also conceivable.
-can you not do without:
Office.
Storage box at garage or carport.
Children’s rooms.
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
The design turned out this way because the architect implemented our wishes and requirements almost 1:1. This preliminary layout resulted in this first version.
What do you consider particularly good or bad?
See what we like and what not. We don’t find anything particularly bad. Rather, not entirely optimal.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Position garage flush with house or set back?
43.5 sqm (468 sq ft) + 4 sqm (43 sq ft) pantry sufficient as “all-purpose room”?
Same floor plan possibly mirrored? Then office on south side, sun all day, blinds always down. Same issue upstairs with bedroom in summer at least. Entrance farther from parking space.
The building method will be timber frame construction with a local timber builder.
This is a first sketch after clarifying needs/wishes with the architect.
Providing all information possible/available at this point in time.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 400 sqm (4300 sq ft)
Slope: No, and no means no!
Floor space index (FSI): 0.4
Floor area ratio (FAR): ?
Building envelope, building line and boundary: Yes, available.
Edge development: Possible with garage.
Number of parking spaces: at least 1, preferably 2
Number of storeys: 1-2
Roof type: Gable roof (pitch minimum 31°, maximum 45°)
Architectural style: ??
Orientation: Gable end facing
Maximum heights / limits: Roof ridge 6-7 m (20-23 ft), eaves 9-12 m (30-39 ft)
Other requirements: No brick facades allowed. Driveway or space in front of garage at least 6 m (20 ft). Red roof tiles mandatory, light facade.
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: Gable roof, fixed
Basement, storeys: 2 full storeys without basement
Number of occupants, age: 4 people (2 toddlers)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Office: Family use or home office? Office of approx. 12 sqm (130 sq ft) is a must.
Guest bedrooms per year: Few
Open or closed architecture: ? Whatever that means.
Conservative or modern construction style: rather modern construction.
Open kitchen, cooking island: Open kitchen, possibly with cooking island
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: NO
Music / stereo wall: Not planned, TV location is quite important.
Balcony, roof terrace: NO
Garage, carport: Garage desired. Carport with storage box also conceivable.
Utility garden, greenhouse: NO
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, preferably with reasons for choices:
Laundry room on the upper floor. They want to do laundry where it is generated and where it must be returned clean. Anything else is a hassle, at least for us.
House Design
Who designed the plan: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why?
Everything we provided as basic information and what our daily life requires has been implemented.
We like the clear lines/structure.
The open space in the hallway.
The connection/proximity of all rooms on ground and upper floors that need water/sewage. So no funny business with the bathroom upstairs in one corner and the utility room diagonally opposite on the ground floor. Personally, I like that.
No bay windows or other awkward extensions.
Laundry room upstairs where the washer and dryer are planned.
What don’t you like? Why?
The living room might be a bit too exposed for us. It could also be a cozy nook with TV without direct view of the kitchen. Cooking and eating together openly is liked; the living room could be a bit more separate. Currently, the floor plan shows it like a narrow, rather shadowy corner.
The somewhat narrow bedroom upstairs is not a dealbreaker but not 100% pleasing.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
-
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures and fittings:
500-575k
Preferred heating system:
Predefined, ground source heat pump with collector. Cold local heating network.
If you have to give up, which details/extras
-can you do without:
The small additional room for the father upstairs.
Garage, as mentioned carport also conceivable.
-can you not do without:
Office.
Storage box at garage or carport.
Children’s rooms.
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
The design turned out this way because the architect implemented our wishes and requirements almost 1:1. This preliminary layout resulted in this first version.
What do you consider particularly good or bad?
See what we like and what not. We don’t find anything particularly bad. Rather, not entirely optimal.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Position garage flush with house or set back?
43.5 sqm (468 sq ft) + 4 sqm (43 sq ft) pantry sufficient as “all-purpose room”?
Same floor plan possibly mirrored? Then office on south side, sun all day, blinds always down. Same issue upstairs with bedroom in summer at least. Entrance farther from parking space.
The building method will be timber frame construction with a local timber builder.
This is a first sketch after clarifying needs/wishes with the architect.
Gerddieter schrieb:
and AT LEAST talk to another independent architect... Maulwurfbau schrieb:
Yes, understood. That is currently under discussion. Further developing the design, even if it is not completely unrealistic for us at this point, may not make much sense. As I already said...
11ant schrieb:
Find an independent architect, have them do "Module A," and during the resting phase, openly evaluate which construction method is more suitable. ... the mistake here was skipping the open evaluation of the most suitable construction method and already ending up with an internal planner from the provider for Module A, who ideally shouldn’t take the lead before design phase 3.
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Aspirant schrieb:
Does this apply everywhere? Our planning is currently based on the floor plan of the Baufritz house “Schneider” Yes, it applies everywhere. The "Baufritz Schneider" differs significantly in that the house and staircase axes are arranged perpendicular to each other there, whereas in this case they are aligned. However, you can see the same effect of forcing the master bathroom into an ensuite arrangement, and what you call the "cozy living nook," I would rather describe as the staircase here trying to act as a room divider between the living and dining areas. "Division" would be a more subtle term.
Aspirant schrieb:
Just a bit larger and reduced to one bathroom upstairs. The staircase really creates the cozy impression of a “living nook.” Of course, that’s not the case in this floor plan. I will gladly discuss your design in your thread 🙂
Hopefully, the original inspirational design can still be recognized in the final version ;-)
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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11ant schrieb:
Yes, that applies everywhere. The "Baufritz Schneider" differs significantly, since the house and staircase axes are crossed there, while in this thread starter’s design they are the same. However, you also see the same effect there, forcing the master bathroom into an ensuite configuration, and what you call the "cozy living alcove," I would rather describe as the staircase assuming the role of a room divider between the living and dining areas. "Subdivision" is a more subtle term.
I’m happy to discuss your design in your thread 🙂
Hopefully, the inspiration design will still be recognizable in the final version ;-) Thanks in advance. My thread will come as well, but it will take a little while ;-)
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Maulwurfbau11 Aug 2023 07:57Hm. I don’t quite understand the idea of the open-ended construction method.
The building method, even the appearance and color, are quite strictly specified here by the development plan / zoning regulations.
By the way, that was exactly the plan based on which I received the recommendation here. It is not an in-house planner. Independent architect. Larger firm, not a one-man show. There was also a site visit. No example plans were presented to us beforehand that we liked.
I’d like to explain a bit more, even though this might again be seen as defending a floor plan idea that didn’t work out. So be it. 🙂
A bit of background history is sometimes not a bad thing.
We currently live in a fairly new house built in 2018, rented and not self-designed. We wanted to make sure that everything we consider a planning mistake or that does not work for our way of life in this brand-new house will definitely not be part of our new own house, because it bothers us day after day. It’s fine for a rental, but in an owner-occupied home, well...
This includes many things that the architect of the current house did “wrong” from OUR point of view for OUR life, which annoy us greatly. The list is long... Many of these things would probably be hyped here as absolutely perfect. But yes, that’s just how it is — not everyone is the same. What is heaven’s gate for one person is the entrance to the brothel for another. ;-)
Anyway. I understand that there is no applause here for the floor plan; I wouldn’t have posted it here if I were completely satisfied with it. And for the most part, I have understood your points. But it does have one thing going for it: almost all of the “mistakes” we currently live with are fixed here.
No question, I’m now also of the opinion that it makes little sense to keep dwelling on it, since some things are still not perfect.
- The living-dining-kitchen area is somehow a) too tight, b) too simple. A somewhat more secluded location for the living area would be much more comfortable.
- The office doesn’t look very good.
- The somewhat narrow bedroom is a bit unusual but still okay for us.
- Entrance and walking paths to the pantry — well, I recently heard on the radio that the risk of death per 1000 additional steps per day significantly decreases. So longer life versus more walking from the car.
- Light in the living room looks a bit shadowy.
The building method, even the appearance and color, are quite strictly specified here by the development plan / zoning regulations.
By the way, that was exactly the plan based on which I received the recommendation here. It is not an in-house planner. Independent architect. Larger firm, not a one-man show. There was also a site visit. No example plans were presented to us beforehand that we liked.
I’d like to explain a bit more, even though this might again be seen as defending a floor plan idea that didn’t work out. So be it. 🙂
A bit of background history is sometimes not a bad thing.
We currently live in a fairly new house built in 2018, rented and not self-designed. We wanted to make sure that everything we consider a planning mistake or that does not work for our way of life in this brand-new house will definitely not be part of our new own house, because it bothers us day after day. It’s fine for a rental, but in an owner-occupied home, well...
This includes many things that the architect of the current house did “wrong” from OUR point of view for OUR life, which annoy us greatly. The list is long... Many of these things would probably be hyped here as absolutely perfect. But yes, that’s just how it is — not everyone is the same. What is heaven’s gate for one person is the entrance to the brothel for another. ;-)
Anyway. I understand that there is no applause here for the floor plan; I wouldn’t have posted it here if I were completely satisfied with it. And for the most part, I have understood your points. But it does have one thing going for it: almost all of the “mistakes” we currently live with are fixed here.
No question, I’m now also of the opinion that it makes little sense to keep dwelling on it, since some things are still not perfect.
- The living-dining-kitchen area is somehow a) too tight, b) too simple. A somewhat more secluded location for the living area would be much more comfortable.
- The office doesn’t look very good.
- The somewhat narrow bedroom is a bit unusual but still okay for us.
- Entrance and walking paths to the pantry — well, I recently heard on the radio that the risk of death per 1000 additional steps per day significantly decreases. So longer life versus more walking from the car.
- Light in the living room looks a bit shadowy.
J
Jurassic13511 Aug 2023 08:41Funny enough, the floor plan looks very similar to one of our friends’. At least the upper floor is almost identical.
They themselves are frustrated that the staircase is so long, the hallway so huge, and the rest of the layout somewhat messed up. They thought back then that they could design the floor plan best themselves, and the architect would just assist. (Hindsight is always 20/20) They wouldn’t do it that way again.
So, look at it positively – although a lot might be thrown at you, this is valuable, free advice that will save you from this kind of floor plan.
They themselves are frustrated that the staircase is so long, the hallway so huge, and the rest of the layout somewhat messed up. They thought back then that they could design the floor plan best themselves, and the architect would just assist. (Hindsight is always 20/20) They wouldn’t do it that way again.
So, look at it positively – although a lot might be thrown at you, this is valuable, free advice that will save you from this kind of floor plan.
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Maulwurfbau11 Aug 2023 09:07Yes, that’s how it is. You always learn more afterwards. The tone is quite rough, and sometimes there is a lack of specifics (often it just basically means: the idea is bad, get another architect, who is also bad), but in the end, I’m doing it to hear different opinions. Over time, you become blind to your own project.
One more thing, since the stairs keep being brought up. A modified staircase with triangular steps on the curves will not be part of our home. This will probably shock most people here, but we, especially my wife, can’t stand how it looks. Any other type of staircase is possible, as long as it’s feasible.
One more thing, since the stairs keep being brought up. A modified staircase with triangular steps on the curves will not be part of our home. This will probably shock most people here, but we, especially my wife, can’t stand how it looks. Any other type of staircase is possible, as long as it’s feasible.
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