ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
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pffreestyler4 Dec 2018 10:02Maybe I simply have a misunderstanding: For me, a 1m (3.3 ft) knee wall with a 10cm (4 inch) floor buildup is where the joists are currently 1.1m (3.6 ft) above the existing floor. From that point, I measured to the window and at one spot it is 2.17m (7.1 ft).
Sample calculation north side: 0.6m (2 ft) (from the sand-lime brick to the knee wall) + 2.13m (7 ft) (knee wall to window) + 1.2m (4 ft) (window) + 1.6m (5.3 ft) (window to window) + 1.2m (4 ft) (window) + 2.17m (7.1 ft) (window to knee wall) + 0.6m (2 ft) (knee wall to sand-lime brick) plus 2 x 0.49m (1.6 ft) exterior wall construction results in 10.48m (34.4 ft), compared to 10.49m (34.4 ft) according to the plan. Either I measured 1 cm (0.4 inch) incorrectly or the house is 1 cm (0.4 inch) narrower than planned.
Am I completely off base here?
Sample calculation north side: 0.6m (2 ft) (from the sand-lime brick to the knee wall) + 2.13m (7 ft) (knee wall to window) + 1.2m (4 ft) (window) + 1.6m (5.3 ft) (window to window) + 1.2m (4 ft) (window) + 2.17m (7.1 ft) (window to knee wall) + 0.6m (2 ft) (knee wall to sand-lime brick) plus 2 x 0.49m (1.6 ft) exterior wall construction results in 10.48m (34.4 ft), compared to 10.49m (34.4 ft) according to the plan. Either I measured 1 cm (0.4 inch) incorrectly or the house is 1 cm (0.4 inch) narrower than planned.
Am I completely off base here?
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pffreestyler4 Dec 2018 10:09Maria16 schrieb:
And has it already been taken into account that when insulating the attic space, counter battens and the cladding panels may also add to the height? (to make things even more confusing Argh, no … that will probably mean losing another 8 cm (3 inches) on each side. The beams are 20 cm (8 inches) deep but would have 24 cm (9.5 inches) of insulation. However, there are battens that add 4 cm (1.5 inches) of extra depth to the beams. The carpenter coordinated this with the structural engineer.
This could be mitigated, for example, by having a knee wall height of 0.90 m (3 feet) instead of 1.00 m (3.3 feet). We were actually recommended a knee wall height of 0.8 m (2.6 feet), but we’re not yet convinced of that. In my drawings, I always used 1.0 m (3.3 feet).
pffreestyler schrieb:
For two people, I consider it completely sufficient and a big improvement compared to the current rental apartment. Just throwing this out there again: why don’t you keep the bedroom downstairs? That way, there’s more space upstairs for two proper children’s rooms, a functional bathroom, and a usable storage room.
Why is the bedroom now completely sufficient, but suddenly not when children are involved???
As I said: I would rather consider turning the room behind the living room into a walk-in closet and possibly add a small room upstairs as a study. Then you can continue to use the bedroom accordingly!
What is the plan for that space if you all squeeze upstairs as a family of four?
pffreestyler schrieb:
Preliminary calculation north side: 0.6 m (from the calcium silicate brick to the knee wall) And how are we supposed to know the 0.6 m (2 feet)?P
pffreestyler4 Dec 2018 10:28Very young children usually still sleep with their parents, which is not possible on the ground floor. After that, my partner at least initially wants to stay close to the children's bedrooms. Later, it is possible to move back downstairs and repurpose the bedroom. Therefore, it might actually make sense to forgo the storage room and use the small corner of the bedroom for the vacuum cleaner.
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pffreestyler4 Dec 2018 10:31kaho674 schrieb:
And how were we supposed to know the 0.6m (2 feet)?I posted it here. But with the 0.5m (1.6 feet) I probably forgot to include the floor construction; the test calculation corrected that.
pffreestyler schrieb:
Regarding the knee wall, I had given incorrect information out of ignorance. I think you can see here that there is actually a small knee wall.

I measured this on the 1:100 scale section drawing, with 10cm (4 inches) floor construction already included. The window position on the section is wrong! You need to rely on my measured dimensions.

I think I can see that, based on your floor plans, the 1m (3 feet) and 2m (6 feet) lines could be shifted slightly further out?
From the floor plans, I would like a mix of both. Maybe swap the shower and toilet in ypg’s proposal, then shift the wall a bit to the north; remove the closet in the left kid’s room and create a small storage room there? I would find that practical for things like the vacuum cleaner. To compensate, move the partition between the kids’ rooms slightly to the right, so a closet fits on that wall in the left kid’s room. The desk can then be moved further to the left. The right kid’s room could receive the lower closet from the bedroom as a balance.Similar topics