ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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pffreestyler
Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
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pffreestyler29 Nov 2018 14:57@Nordlys: Dithmarschen and Under 30
@Climbee Sorry, I must have misunderstood your posts. It came across differently to me than how you’ve described it now.
@Bedroom: we currently have just under 50 cm (20 inches) on each side for each person. As long as we don’t need a wheelchair, we manage to get through.
Upper floor: I’m a bit confused there as well. Why does the building permit / planning permission say the upper floor is 60 sqm (645 sqft)? Even if I waste 20 sqm (215 sqft) on a lousy staircase and a big hallway, there are still 40 sqm (430 sqft) left. The calculation of living area must take into account the sloped ceilings. Also, if I mark a 1 m (3 feet) knee wall (thanks to 11ant for the clarification, otherwise I would have said kneewall again) on the section drawing
it reaches about 0.60 m (2 feet) from the start of the exterior wall. So I lose 1.2 m (4 feet) in total, not 1.2 m (4 feet) per side, and 8.4 m (27.5 feet) remain. You can’t tell me the upper floor is unusable—unless I’m seriously missing something.
kaho674 schrieb:I honestly don’t remember that statement anymore. But it wasn’t brought up again when we discussed the upper floor with the builder. Ultimately, the mistake lies with us.
Hmm.
@Climbee Sorry, I must have misunderstood your posts. It came across differently to me than how you’ve described it now.
@Bedroom: we currently have just under 50 cm (20 inches) on each side for each person. As long as we don’t need a wheelchair, we manage to get through.
Upper floor: I’m a bit confused there as well. Why does the building permit / planning permission say the upper floor is 60 sqm (645 sqft)? Even if I waste 20 sqm (215 sqft) on a lousy staircase and a big hallway, there are still 40 sqm (430 sqft) left. The calculation of living area must take into account the sloped ceilings. Also, if I mark a 1 m (3 feet) knee wall (thanks to 11ant for the clarification, otherwise I would have said kneewall again) on the section drawing
it reaches about 0.60 m (2 feet) from the start of the exterior wall. So I lose 1.2 m (4 feet) in total, not 1.2 m (4 feet) per side, and 8.4 m (27.5 feet) remain. You can’t tell me the upper floor is unusable—unless I’m seriously missing something.
pffreestyler schrieb:
unless I have a total mental block. Funny – here, where no battens fit anymore under the collar beams before the panels are screwed on underneath – or the windows only tilt open if you want to avoid scratches.
Regarding the area: no matter how high your knee wall actually is, for the calculation, anything under 1 meter (3.3 feet) of finished height is ignored anyway, and between 1 and 2 meters (3.3 and 6.6 feet) it only counts half. Minus the staircase area, 60 square meters (645 square feet) sounds entirely plausible with a 45° roof pitch. Interior walls probably haven’t been deducted yet.
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pffreestyler29 Nov 2018 15:42I hardly believe that the battens and drywall add up to 24cm (9.5 inches), making it impossible to fully open the window. The opening is so close to the beams only because of the roller shutter box. The window that needs to be opened should have enough clearance.
Now I understand the situation with the roller shutter box – it hasn’t been installed yet. So the top edge of the current opening will still be lowered, right?
Your estimated 40 sqm (430 sq ft) spread across 4 rooms means an average of only 10 sqm (108 sq ft) per room. Then, of course, the rooms need to be accessed somehow – given the condition that the children's rooms should face south and the bathroom north, and everything must be arranged around the centrally planned staircase, it unfortunately becomes quite difficult. Because 10 sqm (108 sq ft) is also the size if a room is only 1.5 m (5 feet) wide but 6.6 m (22 feet) long – making it difficult to furnish properly. Especially if there is light from only one side and some wall positions are fixed by the windows.
Regarding the bathtub: if the structural support does not allow it, could it be placed in the ground floor bathroom?
About the structure in general: is it definitely possible to expand the attic?
Concerning the layout: could a storage room possibly be designed as an internal (windowless) room?
I am thinking of something like this (not to scale!):
BUT: whether this fits in terms of dimensions and, above all, can be drained properly is questionable.
Your estimated 40 sqm (430 sq ft) spread across 4 rooms means an average of only 10 sqm (108 sq ft) per room. Then, of course, the rooms need to be accessed somehow – given the condition that the children's rooms should face south and the bathroom north, and everything must be arranged around the centrally planned staircase, it unfortunately becomes quite difficult. Because 10 sqm (108 sq ft) is also the size if a room is only 1.5 m (5 feet) wide but 6.6 m (22 feet) long – making it difficult to furnish properly. Especially if there is light from only one side and some wall positions are fixed by the windows.
Regarding the bathtub: if the structural support does not allow it, could it be placed in the ground floor bathroom?
About the structure in general: is it definitely possible to expand the attic?
Concerning the layout: could a storage room possibly be designed as an internal (windowless) room?
I am thinking of something like this (not to scale!):
BUT: whether this fits in terms of dimensions and, above all, can be drained properly is questionable.
What type of heating system will be installed, and is it already designed to accommodate a future upper floor expansion? If the upper floor is not yet finished, the system might be oversized.
According to the current plans and building permit application, what exactly is the insulation situation? Will the roof be insulated now, or only the ceiling between the ground floor and the upper floor?
According to the current plans and building permit application, what exactly is the insulation situation? Will the roof be insulated now, or only the ceiling between the ground floor and the upper floor?
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