ᐅ Ground floor approximately 100 sqm, upper floor adaptable for expansion (planned bathroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 1 storage room)
Created on: 28 Mar 2018 10:32
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Hello,
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 879 sqm (9,458 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index: 0.3
Floor area ratio: 0.45
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) each to the orchard area and neighbors
Edge development /
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Construction style: solid / masonry
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height 9.0 m (30 ft), eaves height 6.0 m (20 ft)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: living room facing south, small office (initially used as a nursery), walk-in shower on ground floor, utility room on the driveway side
Style, roof type, building type
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 stories
Number of residents, age: 2 – under 30
Office use: family use rather than home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 2-3
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern style: rather traditional
Open kitchen, kitchen island: no
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport planned later on the east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
House design
Designer: general contractor
What do you like most? Why? living room facing south, the number of rooms as desired
What do you dislike? Why? the office window 1 should be moved from south to west (otherwise the wall looks too bare); driveway and access to be on the east, not the west
Price estimate by architect/planner: available after Easter; currently mainly focused on the floor plan
Personal price limit including fixtures: expected around €1,700 per sqm (sq ft conversion not added per instruction)
Preferred heating: gas
If you have to give up, which details/features?
-can give up: bathtub
-cannot give up:
Why is the design as it is now?
The floor plan is based on a very similar layout seen during a house viewing and is our favorite among all viewings and catalog research. We only adapted it slightly to our needs (removed guest WC and enlarged living room, rotated office).
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The floor plan basically fits us, but I would appreciate your opinion to see if any improvements are possible. Note: as mentioned, we want to move the office window to the west so the wall doesn’t look so bare. Driveway on the east, not west. Therefore, the bare wall on the west is where the carport will go up to the utility room door. Alternatively, a window could be added to the living room there and the carport start behind the house. The plot allows this.
My main concern is that we’re not 100% happy with the roof’s east-west orientation; I would prefer a north-south alignment. Do you have ideas on rotating the floor plan 90 degrees while keeping the layout mostly unchanged? Only the kitchen and office could be swapped.
PS: The square meter figures for the hallway may be incorrect; the contractor will finalize after Easter. Correct figures will be approximately: living room 31.79 sqm (342 sq ft), kitchen 15.19 sqm (163 sq ft), utility room 9.87 sqm (106 sq ft), hallway about 19.5 sqm (210 sq ft), office/child room 1 about 8 sqm (86 sq ft), bedroom about 11.8 sqm (127 sq ft), bathroom about 8.5 sqm (91 sq ft)
Plot details: length west: 40 m (131 ft), east: 42 m (138 ft), width: 21.5 m (71 ft)
Best regards
Climbee schrieb:
But I’m not so pretentious that I need two doors for that Maybe you’re not – but the mayor is. He wouldn’t want to ring the doorbell at the utility room door.
In the South, they probably don’t know about doors you only use as a bride or as a corpse. And for those two occasions, the side door wouldn’t exactly be a dream for my numb feet.
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Well, you probably see something like this in southern regions too, right? But all of this has its roots in agriculture, and much of it has been forgotten there due to increasing urbanization.
Today, the striking advantage is that you come in with your groceries, and just like that, many items go straight into the pantry, while others are placed into the adjacent kitchen. Or after doing laundry, you quickly load everything into a basket, then head out the back door and you’re right at the clothesline where you hang things up. Or of course, the trash bins are next to the back door, only about three and a half steps from the kitchen. And so on. Karsten
Well, you probably see something like this in southern regions too, right? But all of this has its roots in agriculture, and much of it has been forgotten there due to increasing urbanization.
Today, the striking advantage is that you come in with your groceries, and just like that, many items go straight into the pantry, while others are placed into the adjacent kitchen. Or after doing laundry, you quickly load everything into a basket, then head out the back door and you’re right at the clothesline where you hang things up. Or of course, the trash bins are next to the back door, only about three and a half steps from the kitchen. And so on. Karsten
We used to have the same. Work clothes for the barn were hung in the feed room. There were three exits on the ground floor, and the TV with the couch was in the kitchen. The entrance that was most convenient at the time was used. The pig potatoes (potatoes for the pigs) were always carried through the main entrance.
It was so practical that hardly anyone has that anymore. Who has a sausage kitchen and a feed room these days?
We have a direct entrance to the utility room. Only that one is large enough, there were no structural compromises, and no one has to pass by the dirty laundry. The second entrance isn’t really necessary.
It was so practical that hardly anyone has that anymore. Who has a sausage kitchen and a feed room these days?
We have a direct entrance to the utility room. Only that one is large enough, there were no structural compromises, and no one has to pass by the dirty laundry. The second entrance isn’t really necessary.
I agree: if I have a sufficiently large floor area, I can afford two, three, or even more entrances. But if I have to manage the square meters carefully, then the value should be weighed against each other: space or additional access?
Just because it seems convenient (and it definitely is with the right floor area), it doesn’t mean it fits with the other requirements I have for the floor plan and the space I absolutely need (for example, in a utility room of a house WITHOUT a basement, every centimeter of wall space is worth its weight in gold! Especially when the family consists of more than two people).
I admit: our first draft also had direct access from the (then still planned) garage to the pantry. I would have liked that! Also, for example, to be able to store beverage crates in the garage (where they are ready to drink for three quarters of the year, already cooled) and be able to reach them quickly from the kitchen.
Until I tried to implement my pantry requirements (how many linear meters of storage space do I need? The freezer also has to fit, etc.). Well...there wouldn’t have been much space left. So I gave up on that idea because other requirements (storage!!!) are simply more important. The garage was also sacrificed to another plan, but we saved a significant amount of circulation space on the property; the approximately 90m² (970 ft²) of extra garden gained is worth it. Although I do complain a bit that we won’t have a garage anymore. But that’s what I advocate: weighing what makes more sense in the long run and then consistently letting go of some cherished ideas. That’s painful, no question.
For us, friends will simply come through the front door in winter and, in summer, when we are home, probably directly across the terrace. They’ll get a beer, too, and it will be comfortable; even without a door to the pantry.
Just because it seems convenient (and it definitely is with the right floor area), it doesn’t mean it fits with the other requirements I have for the floor plan and the space I absolutely need (for example, in a utility room of a house WITHOUT a basement, every centimeter of wall space is worth its weight in gold! Especially when the family consists of more than two people).
I admit: our first draft also had direct access from the (then still planned) garage to the pantry. I would have liked that! Also, for example, to be able to store beverage crates in the garage (where they are ready to drink for three quarters of the year, already cooled) and be able to reach them quickly from the kitchen.
Until I tried to implement my pantry requirements (how many linear meters of storage space do I need? The freezer also has to fit, etc.). Well...there wouldn’t have been much space left. So I gave up on that idea because other requirements (storage!!!) are simply more important. The garage was also sacrificed to another plan, but we saved a significant amount of circulation space on the property; the approximately 90m² (970 ft²) of extra garden gained is worth it. Although I do complain a bit that we won’t have a garage anymore. But that’s what I advocate: weighing what makes more sense in the long run and then consistently letting go of some cherished ideas. That’s painful, no question.
For us, friends will simply come through the front door in winter and, in summer, when we are home, probably directly across the terrace. They’ll get a beer, too, and it will be comfortable; even without a door to the pantry.
I can’t deny that the previous female posters make some logical points. You always give something to get something—unless there is an abundance of everything.
Our thoughts were as follows: We reduced the living room area a bit to gain space for the kitchen and utility room, both located side by side. We chose gas because we saw the bulky equipment involved with a ground-source heat pump from our son-in-law. This way, the utility room has enough space. Having a back door was very important to us. For that, we settled for just one patio door. We can live well with this arrangement. Karsten
Our thoughts were as follows: We reduced the living room area a bit to gain space for the kitchen and utility room, both located side by side. We chose gas because we saw the bulky equipment involved with a ground-source heat pump from our son-in-law. This way, the utility room has enough space. Having a back door was very important to us. For that, we settled for just one patio door. We can live well with this arrangement. Karsten
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chand19864 Apr 2018 09:57Nordlys schrieb:
T and S and W are friends; they don’t ring the bell, they come in the back and call out, hello, where are you. They’re allowed to do that. The door is always open during the day anyway.
A stranger has to ring the bell and is let in.To downgrade a representative front door and entrance area into a purely stranger defense airlock seems to me like spending a lot of money for very little function. It feels like a tradition, which is fine, but is it really practical? Hmm...
And as much as I like the idea on paper of having a house open to friends, I still prefer that every visitor announces themselves at least by ringing the bell. Maybe I’m busy with something and don’t want to be disturbed—and a “hello, where are you” shouted from the inside of my house definitely bothers me more than a ring from outside that I can choose to ignore if needed.
If the people whose opinion matters anyway always enter through the utility room, why not be consistent and make this the sole main entrance? The terrace door can remain as a “side door.”
And whether strangers find it odd to go through a utility room, I couldn’t care less...
Practical question: Where does a friendly visitor entering through the utility room hang their coats and jackets? What exactly is the main entrance area used for besides functioning as a stranger filter?
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