ᐅ Gas Prices – Where Is Gas Still Affordable?

i_b_n_a_n schrieb:

Sorry, at that level, discussing is really pointless. I’m happy to contribute scientific facts to the discussion; otherwise, just keep quiet, as Mario, whom I don’t particularly like, often says.

Are you mistaking rudeness for a "scientific argument"?

Deliverer schrieb:

Hello @Marvinius! What valuable input do you want to add to this great thread? Come on, don’t be shy!

Because of your energy transition policy, my electric car is charged with coal power. That’s really unfortunate.

That’s really unfortunate. You should take some action.

Oh, and – maybe this slipped your mind – it’s also your energy transition. And that of your children. ;-)

PS: So far, your involvement has been rather limited. Reflect on it again, maybe do some more research, and then please formulate an important new point.

Deliverer schrieb:

Admittedly, I only spent five minutes on it – but the trend is not 1:1, rather closer to 1:0.1.

I can only tell you that the control rooms at Uniper and RWE see it differently. Unless you want South African-like conditions. Deal with reality or reality will deal with you!

This also matches wind/solar statistics from various institutes. So no – we don’t need more or fewer "backup" power plants than before. It’s frustrating, but that’s the way it is. With nuclear power it’s even more extreme, as France is currently demonstrating: they currently need 28 backup nuclear plants to compensate for outages of operational nuclear plants. If the heatwave continues, another six will have to be taken offline… you have to want to pay for that.

Most of these idle nuclear power plants are at the end of their service lives. They have operated for 40 years at 8,000 full load hours each, totaling 320,000 full load hours, and should have already been replaced. Because of people like you, it’s harder than it needs to be.

By the way, the average lifetime of decommissioned wind turbines in Germany was 16.5 years, with 2,000 full load hours per year that equals 33,000 full load hours — only about one-tenth of nuclear. Offshore turbines last about twice as long but even there it would only be around one-fifth.

And full load hours for wind are erratic, while for nuclear power they are highly predictable.

Even now, at the end of the service life of most of the power plants in France, 30 GW out of 61 GW capacity is still available. One thing I guarantee you — of the 61 GW of photovoltaic capacity installed in Germany, exactly 0 GW will be expected to generate power tonight. Without conventional backup power plants, photovoltaic energy of this scale would therefore be practically worthless in the energy mix.

Deliverer schrieb:

True. Nuclear power plants that don’t exist don’t cause any problems either. I actually recommend anyone who raves to me about them to invest not in photovoltaic systems, but in Bill Gates. He has enthusiastically promoted this idea, but hasn’t invested a single cent himself yet…

France has 14 nuclear power plants in the pipeline, and the UK plans not only up to 40 gigawatts from offshore wind farms by 2030, but also 8 new reactors. Most of these are from EDF, which is government-owned, so you can’t invest there. I believe two come from Hitachi, but they are a large diversified corporation.

Deliverer schrieb:

That’s really unfortunate. You should do something about it.

Ah, and – maybe this got overlooked – it’s also your energy transition. And that of your children. ;-)

PS: So far, your involvement has been rather limited. Please reflect on this, maybe review the information again, and then formulate an important new point.

No, it’s the energy transition for those cashing in subsidies and the gas lobby, but not mine.
Please just be honest for once.

Scout** schrieb:

France has 14 nuclear power plants planned, even the UK wants by 2030 ... also 8 new reactors.

They can want a lot. So far, they haven’t managed to complete even one. Each year it just gets a few billion more expensive... Now the only welders who can seal the containment are unavailable, and they urgently need a new supplier for the fuel rods... Oh well, it will probably work out soon.

There simply isn’t anyone willing to invest money because by now too many people know the real costs. Those annoying “people like me” who actually ask questions instead of keeping quiet.

Oh, and because no one is investing anymore, this has been going on here for a few weeks now:

Scout** schrieb:

EDF, but they are state-owned,

The poor French now have to fully bear the nonsense. The company has skimmed tens of billions in "profits" over two or three decades, and as soon as things get tight, they run back to mommy. There were times in France when such situations were handled differently. We were really lucky to have just a black eye from it. And that black eye will hurt our great-grandchildren very, very much.