You come back from vacation and receive an email about a gas price increase.
A quick look: the consumption price has doubled, and the base price is 25% higher.
And you, who also have a gas heating system?
@Nordlys I know… but who else?
A quick look: the consumption price has doubled, and the base price is 25% higher.
And you, who also have a gas heating system?
@Nordlys I know… but who else?
hampshire schrieb:
Division has become a popular pastime. This is not only evident through the coronavirus situation but extends to nearly all topics (e.g., vegan, vegetarian, omnivorous diets; diesel or electric engines; solar panels with or without battery storage; right or left Twix...).
Do people tend to become dogmatic in times of uncertainty?
Dogmatic individuals feel existentially threatened whenever their beliefs are challenged. Perhaps this is a partial mechanism that drives increasing division. My theory: nowadays, we have many more options to live within our preferred bubble. We choose these both in real life and online. Interacting with people who think differently is no longer common. And the more I isolate myself in my bubble, the harder it becomes. Unfortunately, this is also a self-reinforcing process.
It was about the gas price starting from January 1st, not about electricity or heat pumps.
So far, oil and gas prices have always been highly volatile in both directions. This will stabilize again.
I hope we move away from carbon pricing on specific goods toward a certificate account system that every citizen has, allowing them to manage, buy, or sell certificates as needed. This way, things like kilometers driven with combustion engines, flights, beef consumption, the consumption of items flown halfway around the world, or blackberries from South Africa—now priced at 1.99 at Edeka—can also be accounted for. Is that really necessary?
So far, oil and gas prices have always been highly volatile in both directions. This will stabilize again.
I hope we move away from carbon pricing on specific goods toward a certificate account system that every citizen has, allowing them to manage, buy, or sell certificates as needed. This way, things like kilometers driven with combustion engines, flights, beef consumption, the consumption of items flown halfway around the world, or blackberries from South Africa—now priced at 1.99 at Edeka—can also be accounted for. Is that really necessary?
hampshire schrieb:
Dividing people has become a social sport. This isn’t only shown by the pandemic, it applies to almost every topic (e.g., ..., right or left Twix...)Things used to be better anyway! Twix was still called Raider back then!!! 😉
But seriously... not that I want to bash social media, but I believe it plays a significant role in this social sport. Forums (and this one is a perfect example) cover topics like gas/heating pumps or SUV yes or no, etc. Writing anonymously is quicker and easier than facing someone in real life and telling them directly. And even when people stand by their opinions face to face, online it usually comes across with a sharper tongue or keystroke than spoken in person.
It’s also easier. Here, I can simply point a finger at someone who drives an SUV without fearing that someone will remind me that I take long-haul flights three times a year or ride 500km (300 miles) every weekend on my motorcycle just because I like it (since no one online personally knows me).
I like the internet because it offers a wide range of information and opinions. But I don’t always like the way they are “expressed.”
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Smialbuddler16 Nov 2021 13:32We also have a gas heating system in our older building because switching to underfloor heating during the renovation was simply not feasible—it was structurally so challenging that it was financially impossible. Besides, the gas heating system was almost new when we bought the house, and discarding it would be a waste of resources.
When it finally reaches the end of its life, we will consider low-temperature radiators and a wood-burning stove.
Until then, we have a (very expensive) eco-friendly gas tariff that offsets all CO2 emissions through certificates and additionally supports forest projects in Germany (or at least that’s what it claims). Since we heat very consciously and keep relatively low room temperatures, our consumption is below the current German average.
The general criticism of gas heating users here is not entirely fair; it also affects people like us who simply had no other option or had other reasons. By the way, if we had demolished our house instead of renovating it, even a passive house would probably have had a worse overall energy balance for the rest of our lives than what we have now with our gas heating.
Everything is relative.
Back to the topic: a 30% increase in labor costs starting 1/1/2022. That means 50 euros more in monthly installments.
When it finally reaches the end of its life, we will consider low-temperature radiators and a wood-burning stove.
Until then, we have a (very expensive) eco-friendly gas tariff that offsets all CO2 emissions through certificates and additionally supports forest projects in Germany (or at least that’s what it claims). Since we heat very consciously and keep relatively low room temperatures, our consumption is below the current German average.
The general criticism of gas heating users here is not entirely fair; it also affects people like us who simply had no other option or had other reasons. By the way, if we had demolished our house instead of renovating it, even a passive house would probably have had a worse overall energy balance for the rest of our lives than what we have now with our gas heating.
Everything is relative.
Back to the topic: a 30% increase in labor costs starting 1/1/2022. That means 50 euros more in monthly installments.
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Deliverer16 Nov 2021 14:17People only get criticized (rightfully so) if they are still building a new one NOW. There are no excuses for that anymore.
And this:
And this:
Smialbuddler schrieb:would already help now. Additionally, there are walls, ceilings, and sloping roofs that can potentially serve as surfaces if the floor is not suitable.
... working with low-temperature radiators ...
Deliverer schrieb:
Besides, there are also walls, ceilings, and sloped roofs that can potentially be used as surfaces if the floor is not suitable. In my previous experience with renovating an old building, it’s definitely not that simple. For example, we had solid walls. Before installing wall heating, you first need internal insulation. This creates issues with the dew point, and so on. Ceilings and sloped roofs present different challenges. Our floor wasn’t suitable for underfloor heating either because it was a wooden beam ceiling with insufficient stability and load-bearing capacity. Converting an old building to low-temperature heating and a heat pump is really no small feat. I certainly wouldn’t do it voluntarily.
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