Hello,
we have submitted our building application for our single-family house with a (separate) double garage (5.85m x 8.94m (19.2 ft x 29.3 ft)).
The double garage is made with steel panel construction, so it is a prefabricated steel garage.
State: Brandenburg.
The garage is planned to be built with one side (8.94m (29.3 ft)) directly on the property boundary.
The problem now is that, according to the Brandenburg garage regulations, this wall (boundary wall) must be a fire wall!!
This is not the case with our prefabricated steel garage.
At least, this is what our building regulations officer is currently pointing out...
The garage company has already installed several of these garages, also nearby, and they are hearing about this issue for the first time.
Other customers never included their garage in their building application process, so they never had problems here.
Now my question is, can this be true?
What should I do?
Upgrade the one wall into a fire wall – which apparently requires a 24cm (9.4 in) thick wall?
Remove the garage from the building application and then simply install it afterwards?
As far as I know, the garage is basically permit-exempt.
Has anyone experienced similar problems before?
Regards
we have submitted our building application for our single-family house with a (separate) double garage (5.85m x 8.94m (19.2 ft x 29.3 ft)).
The double garage is made with steel panel construction, so it is a prefabricated steel garage.
State: Brandenburg.
The garage is planned to be built with one side (8.94m (29.3 ft)) directly on the property boundary.
The problem now is that, according to the Brandenburg garage regulations, this wall (boundary wall) must be a fire wall!!
This is not the case with our prefabricated steel garage.
At least, this is what our building regulations officer is currently pointing out...
The garage company has already installed several of these garages, also nearby, and they are hearing about this issue for the first time.
Other customers never included their garage in their building application process, so they never had problems here.
Now my question is, can this be true?
What should I do?
Upgrade the one wall into a fire wall – which apparently requires a 24cm (9.4 in) thick wall?
Remove the garage from the building application and then simply install it afterwards?
As far as I know, the garage is basically permit-exempt.
Has anyone experienced similar problems before?
Regards
T
toxicmolotof12 Jun 2015 21:53Musketier schrieb:
Why should the problem be considered solved? Even a concrete garage does not qualify as a fire protection wall. The issue for the "processor" is not the type of garage, but the size of the garage.In my opinion, it is solved, and the additional cost was minimal. It is built on the boundary with the neighbor, and the neighbor also has a precast concrete garage. But that hardly matters in any case.
Convinced by the steel prefab garage? Have you ever put (damp) metal tools in a metal toolbox and taken them out after a week? But well, that’s a personal choice.
What I want to point out to the original poster is this: it’s unwise to sign contracts before the permit (building permit / planning permission) is fully approved. But I won’t say more on that.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
Convinced by steel prefabricated garages? Have you ever put (damp) metal tools in a metal toolbox and taken them out again after a week? But well, everyone has to decide for themselves.We have a steel garage of a similar size to the original poster’s, just a bit narrower. Due to the dimensions, it was the only option.
Of course, you can’t treat a steel garage the same way as a concrete or masonry garage because it adapts to ambient temperatures much faster. Fastening options are also a bit more complicated. But one thing is certain: a steel garage is definitely better ventilated, and water from the car can drain downwards. For that reason, I doubt the humidity inside is higher than in a concrete garage.
I have acquaintances who have had their steel garages for quite some time and are still satisfied.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
What I want to say to the original poster is this: It’s unwise to sign contracts before the building permit / planning permission has been granted. But I won’t say more on that.Did you have your building permit / planning permission approved before signing the construction contract for the house?
T
toxicmolotof13 Jun 2015 01:02Musketier schrieb:
Did you have a building permit / planning permission approved before signing the construction contract for the house?To be precise, I haven’t signed any construction contract for a house at all. But either way, I would have kept the planning separate from the execution.
toxicmolotow schrieb:
What I want to point out to the original poster is this: It’s not ideal to sign contracts before the permit is approved. But I won’t say anything more about that. In order to include the garage in the building permit application process, the contract must be signed beforehand. Otherwise, no company in the world will provide the necessary documents (structural calculations, etc.), which you need.
It’s exactly the same as with the construction contract for the house. You sign it in advance, but the building authority can still reject certain things, for example deviations from the zoning plan.
Therefore, your statement doesn’t really make sense.
Moreover, it’s a standard garage, nothing unusual...
...there are just a few unresolved issues at the moment – and that should remain the focus of this thread.
We’re well aware that some people swear by steel garages while others think they’re the worst thing ever, but that’s not relevant here.
T
toxicmolotof13 Jun 2015 10:26That’s nonsense and simply incorrect. The structural engineering report does not have to be submitted with the building permit / planning permission and can be provided up until the start of the construction project. At the time the building permit was granted, we definitely did not have the structural report yet.
In all other cases, I would make sure to include a free cancellation right in the contract in case the permit is not granted.
I received my building permit (house and garage) in August 2014, and as of April 2015, I still didn’t know which manufacturer my garage would come from.
In all other cases, I would make sure to include a free cancellation right in the contract in case the permit is not granted.
I received my building permit (house and garage) in August 2014, and as of April 2015, I still didn’t know which manufacturer my garage would come from.
For a building permit, a structural engineering certificate is definitely required; otherwise, the permit will almost certainly not be granted.
For the building application, it might have been possible to omit it initially and submit it later once a decision was made.
And then?
It would have been noticed then that something might not comply with fire protection regulations...
The idea of a right of withdrawal is certainly acceptable and advantageous.
But we are not talking about a garage that has already been purchased and cannot be installed.
Either the party wall will be redesigned, or a masonry fire wall will be built in front of it, or the garage will be redesigned as a precast concrete garage.
But as I said, any advice or tips would be more helpful than a rambling discussion.
For the building application, it might have been possible to omit it initially and submit it later once a decision was made.
And then?
It would have been noticed then that something might not comply with fire protection regulations...
The idea of a right of withdrawal is certainly acceptable and advantageous.
But we are not talking about a garage that has already been purchased and cannot be installed.
Either the party wall will be redesigned, or a masonry fire wall will be built in front of it, or the garage will be redesigned as a precast concrete garage.
But as I said, any advice or tips would be more helpful than a rambling discussion.