ᐅ Installing a Kitchen Sink Like This – Any Experiences?

Created on: 28 May 2013 22:47
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dribs
I am currently working on planning a new kitchen. The space is very limited, so I want to make the most efficient use of the available area.

In the picture, you can see a dishwasher and a 60cm (24 inch) base cabinet for the sink (SP). Is it possible, for example, to install a Boholmen sink (70cm / 28 inches) as shown, that is, spanning both cabinets? In my opinion, this should work, but I’m asking just to be sure.

Another question: when I try to place the above sink on an 80cm (31.5 inch) base cabinet using the planner, the sink is not centered; instead, it is positioned to the left (or right). This means the basin is centered, but the draining board is off to one side. Is this a planner error or a misunderstanding on my part?

Thanks for taking a look!
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IKEA-Experte
2 Jun 2013 23:17
If you ever want to move the kitchen or replace the fronts and can manage the widths of the new cabinets, then it’s better to wait. METOD isn’t that revolutionary to expect major problems. Besides, there will be over a year of experience from other countries by then.
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Maverick1854
5 Jun 2013 06:18
Additionally, there is over a year of experience from other countries.

Well... Is that really all that helpful??? There have been other cases like this... Haven't there???
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zetterberg
5 Jun 2013 08:48
Basically it is possible, but keep in mind that you need to maintain a distance from the sink cutout to the next cutout or edge of the countertop.

Countertops never rest directly on built-in appliances, there is always some clearance. No service technician from an appliance manufacturer will disassemble or partially take apart the kitchen during repairs; the appliances must be easy to pull out even with the countertop installed.
Otherwise, the technician would be liable for disassembly and reassembly.

Sometimes this is not possible at all, for example if a tile backsplash was added on top of the countertop afterwards or if stone panels have been installed.
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Nayla_1068
5 Jun 2013 22:57
... Countertops are never installed directly on top of built-in appliances.

... The appliances must be easy to pull out even with the countertop installed.
... Otherwise, the service technician would be fully responsible for disassembling and reassembling.

Incorrect! Integrated dishwashers are screwed to the countertop and, if possible, to the adjacent cabinets.
Refrigerators and ovens are also screwed to or within the cabinet. The service technician simply unscrews them with a cordless screwdriver and that’s it.

Best regards,
Nayla
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zetterberg
6 Jun 2013 08:47

Wrong! Integrated dishwashers are screwed to the countertop and, if possible, to the adjacent cabinets.


Unfortunately, your statement is not correct. Integrated under-counter appliances are fixed to the countertops or adjacent cabinets, that is true. However, this only serves to keep the appliance in place, especially with dishwashers due to constant door opening and the resulting leverage. The side panels of these appliances are not designed to bear any load—and they don’t need to be.

Another, much more important reason, as mentioned above, is that service technicians will not dismantle a kitchen partially or fully to access the appliance. If they must, they might first need to cut through the silicone seal along the wall (using a utility knife), lift the countertop, reinstall everything, and apply a new silicone sealant joint. Then they also have to ensure the seal is watertight and take responsibility for it.

This is an extreme example, but it clearly shows why it is not done that way.

Ikea also has built-in washing machines—have you checked the installation instructions to see how the leveling foot at the back of the appliance is adjusted? Is it tightened up to the countertop to fix the machine?
Spoiler: you can save yourself the look. I know the equivalent model from AEG and another manufacturer, and for both, there must be a 4–5 mm (0.16–0.20 inches) gap between the leveling foot and the countertop, exactly for the reasons described above.

Please take a close look at the instructions before making such statements to customers. Others have to deal with the consequences, and service technicians leave again if the installation and operation are not done according to the instructions.
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Nayla_1068
6 Jun 2013 10:43
Hi,

I never mentioned any support load; the point was simply that the dishwasher and other appliances need to be securely fixed to or inside the cabinet. If a potential customer reads your first post and takes it at face value, they might just slide the dishwasher in without securing it, causing the entire appliance to come toward them every time they open it. Of course, that’s an extreme example.

In general, you have to clearly distinguish what a service technician does beyond working on the appliance itself. You are absolutely right there. In this case, I’m only speaking about AEG and Bauknecht appliances installed with Ikea cabinets. However, there is a specific scope of work defined for Ikea in cooperation with these two companies. For example, if a seam or something similar needs to be cut, the technician must have a liability waiver signed. If the customer refuses to sign it or if the work required can’t be completed by the technician alone, they will leave again. The customer then has to ensure that the installer can carry out their work without any issues. A new appointment will be scheduled.

Best regards

Nayla