ᐅ Single-family house floor plan, approximately 150 sqm, with east-facing garden
Created on: 9 Jan 2020 21:17
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Hello everyone,
after reading many threads here about how well-intentioned floor plans are expertly dissected, I’m now stepping out from the shadows. We plan to build this year and have already purchased the plot. We are currently in discussions with two providers. Provider 1 never really impressed us with their designs and plans very large houses without offering much living space. I’m bringing Provider 2 into the discussion here because, apart from the points mentioned below, we still like their design.
We hope the collective forum expertise will point out some pitfalls and maybe even help solve our hallway dilemma.
Sorry for the rough sketches of the measurements.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 610 sqm (648 with purchased noise barrier)
Slope: approx. 70cm (28 inches) over 19m (62 feet), sloping from north to south
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 3m (10 feet) from the street, 3m (10 feet) to neighbors north/south, building envelope 10m (33 feet) east-west
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Number of stories: 2
Roof type: gable roof ≤45°
Architectural style
Orientation: ridge running north-south
Maximum heights / limits: max. ridge height 10.5m (34 feet), eaves max. 6.0m (20 feet)
Other requirements: On the east side, a noise barrier is built along half of the plot, with forest behind it. Due to the noise barrier, the garden is practically not visible from outside.
Clients’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: rather classic
Basement, number of floors: basement, 1.5 floors
Number of residents, age: currently 2 (ages 33 and 27 – planning 2 children)
Space requirements on ground floor: shower WC, open living space (kitchen, dining, living), study; upper floor: 2 kids’ rooms, bathroom, master bedroom (walk-in closet)
Office: home office (teaching profession)
Overnight guests per year: approx. 15
Open or closed architecture: rather open
Conservative or modern construction: conservative and brick-faced
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: preferably yes, budget permitting
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport / budget permitting
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons for why or why not something is desired
House Design
Designer: planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why?
We really like the upper floor. Room sizes fit well. We can’t really assess the master bedroom on the south side yet. The kids’ rooms seem the right size and have a good layout in my opinion.
A guest room was not a requirement – apparently there was space on the upper floor. We are not unhappy about that.
The living-dining area really appeals to me. Kitchen opening to the terrace. My wife likes the pantry options with access to the garden, basement, and carport.
What don’t you like? Why?
What we don’t like is the narrow corridors. I imagine 1.2m (4 feet) and 1m (3 feet) very cramped. Between the carport and along the stairs, this wouldn’t bother me so much, but the entrance definitely should be wider.
The master bedroom on the south side does not convince me much.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: >440k€
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: approx. 440k€
Preferred heating system: gas heating required by the plot purchase contract.
If you had to give up something, which details / features could you do without:
I could do without the pantry and use that space for the WC instead. My wife, however, sees this differently.
Which features can you not give up:
The study on the ground floor is a must due to my teaching profession. The idea is to be able to drop things off in the study after returning from school, close the door, and have some downtime without needing to go upstairs or downstairs.
The basement is also essential. Many friends and acquaintances who have built in recent years do so mostly without basements. It takes iron discipline to keep utility rooms “tidy.” We manage that in our rental now but want to move away from that. We don’t want to become hoarders but want more space to spread out. Also, I want to be able to store all my tools in the basement and comfortably repair my bicycles.
Why was the design made the way it is?
Standard design from the planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
Large windows on the ground floor facing the garden, as it is not directly visible.
A bay window on the street side is mandatory for the look. The planned flat-roof bay will definitely be changed to a pitched roof. The plaster on the bay will be replaced by brick cladding. We find the bay window to the garden quite nice. Not a must-have, but it was part of the planning basis we provided and, in my opinion, positively impacts the kids’ rooms.
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your eyes?
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
How do you evaluate the usability of the pantry—does it work as well as we imagine it? What other ways, besides widening the house, do you see to widen the corridors? Does the indicated wardrobe area fit?
In principle, I would like to build it this way if only the narrow corridors weren’t an issue. Making the house 25-50cm (10-20 inches) wider is not technically feasible and probably financially difficult.
after reading many threads here about how well-intentioned floor plans are expertly dissected, I’m now stepping out from the shadows. We plan to build this year and have already purchased the plot. We are currently in discussions with two providers. Provider 1 never really impressed us with their designs and plans very large houses without offering much living space. I’m bringing Provider 2 into the discussion here because, apart from the points mentioned below, we still like their design.
We hope the collective forum expertise will point out some pitfalls and maybe even help solve our hallway dilemma.
Sorry for the rough sketches of the measurements.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 610 sqm (648 with purchased noise barrier)
Slope: approx. 70cm (28 inches) over 19m (62 feet), sloping from north to south
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 3m (10 feet) from the street, 3m (10 feet) to neighbors north/south, building envelope 10m (33 feet) east-west
Edge development
Number of parking spaces
Number of stories: 2
Roof type: gable roof ≤45°
Architectural style
Orientation: ridge running north-south
Maximum heights / limits: max. ridge height 10.5m (34 feet), eaves max. 6.0m (20 feet)
Other requirements: On the east side, a noise barrier is built along half of the plot, with forest behind it. Due to the noise barrier, the garden is practically not visible from outside.
Clients’ Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: rather classic
Basement, number of floors: basement, 1.5 floors
Number of residents, age: currently 2 (ages 33 and 27 – planning 2 children)
Space requirements on ground floor: shower WC, open living space (kitchen, dining, living), study; upper floor: 2 kids’ rooms, bathroom, master bedroom (walk-in closet)
Office: home office (teaching profession)
Overnight guests per year: approx. 15
Open or closed architecture: rather open
Conservative or modern construction: conservative and brick-faced
Open kitchen, kitchen island: yes
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: preferably yes, budget permitting
Music / stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport / budget permitting
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons for why or why not something is desired
House Design
Designer: planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why?
We really like the upper floor. Room sizes fit well. We can’t really assess the master bedroom on the south side yet. The kids’ rooms seem the right size and have a good layout in my opinion.
A guest room was not a requirement – apparently there was space on the upper floor. We are not unhappy about that.
The living-dining area really appeals to me. Kitchen opening to the terrace. My wife likes the pantry options with access to the garden, basement, and carport.
What don’t you like? Why?
What we don’t like is the narrow corridors. I imagine 1.2m (4 feet) and 1m (3 feet) very cramped. Between the carport and along the stairs, this wouldn’t bother me so much, but the entrance definitely should be wider.
The master bedroom on the south side does not convince me much.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: >440k€
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings: approx. 440k€
Preferred heating system: gas heating required by the plot purchase contract.
If you had to give up something, which details / features could you do without:
I could do without the pantry and use that space for the WC instead. My wife, however, sees this differently.
Which features can you not give up:
The study on the ground floor is a must due to my teaching profession. The idea is to be able to drop things off in the study after returning from school, close the door, and have some downtime without needing to go upstairs or downstairs.
The basement is also essential. Many friends and acquaintances who have built in recent years do so mostly without basements. It takes iron discipline to keep utility rooms “tidy.” We manage that in our rental now but want to move away from that. We don’t want to become hoarders but want more space to spread out. Also, I want to be able to store all my tools in the basement and comfortably repair my bicycles.
Why was the design made the way it is?
Standard design from the planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
Large windows on the ground floor facing the garden, as it is not directly visible.
A bay window on the street side is mandatory for the look. The planned flat-roof bay will definitely be changed to a pitched roof. The plaster on the bay will be replaced by brick cladding. We find the bay window to the garden quite nice. Not a must-have, but it was part of the planning basis we provided and, in my opinion, positively impacts the kids’ rooms.
A mix of many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your eyes?
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
How do you evaluate the usability of the pantry—does it work as well as we imagine it? What other ways, besides widening the house, do you see to widen the corridors? Does the indicated wardrobe area fit?
In principle, I would like to build it this way if only the narrow corridors weren’t an issue. Making the house 25-50cm (10-20 inches) wider is not technically feasible and probably financially difficult.
Baufie schrieb:
How things can turn out differently is shown in another thread!It might be helpful to specify which one.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
kaho674 schrieb:
Have you already visited any show homes? Something similar to what you’re sketching out is probably available to see somewhere nearby. Yes, of course. We have been to several show village parks and also visited the homes built by GU1, and we even talked to some homeowners.
Baufie schrieb:
A house similar to the style you want, but a bit larger, is the prefabricated home from Weberhaus on display at the prefabricated house exhibition in Stuttgart. However, Stuttgart is quite far away. We plan to visit the prefabricated house center in Hannover again this or next week. The last time we were at these parks was before we discussed detailed floor plans. It probably really helps to physically experience the widths and room sizes.
11ant schrieb:
It might be helpful to specify which one you mean. I assume this refers to the thread https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-einfamilienhaus-mit-rund-150-m.26772/
I would actually do it the other way around and specifically verify those floor plans in the showroom that initially seemed suitable in the brochure.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
So, here we go again. New input from the architect and the general contractor. He has implemented many of the points I mentioned. However, now the office is in the southwest, which I had criticized in @kaho674’s suggestion in post #27.
Office is now in the southwest.
The open-plan living/dining/kitchen area is smaller, but the kitchen is now more open.
The straight staircase remains.
Storage room has been removed.
The entrance area is now easier to access from the driveway and is recessed, making it somewhat better protected from the west weather.
The living space is consistently oriented towards the east and therefore towards the garden. Now the living area is also completely shielded from view from the street.
The upper floor has only minimal changes to the load-bearing walls, but the staircase and hallway have been swapped.
I like it much better now – even though I still can’t look out at the street from the kitchen. On the plus side, this does increase privacy significantly.
Where am I unsure now?
Arrangement of the cloakroom/shower toilet on the ground floor – possibly swap?
Narrow floor-to-ceiling window in the kitchen. Maybe we can adjust the window areas, reduce the symmetry, and continue the kitchen windows at the same height as the office windows.
Extension cantilevered towards the east to frame the gable visually. Here, we could consider making the gable flush with the rest of the wall and use brick cladding. This would only create a contrasting color spot on the street-facing side.
What’s my next step?
Graph paper is already ready here. Now I get to prove my handyman skills. I hope an iPhone screen repair and battery replacement qualify me to wield the craft knife competently. Crafting and decoration are usually outsourced to my wife.
This weekend, we might visit the nearest model home park to look at similar floor plans and get a better sense of the space.
I am finding it less and less funny somehow. I spoke to two colleagues today. One had to rezone after the build was completed. Another barely managed to stop the plans and start over. The problem of unexpectedly many children does not seem that rare after all. Although I guess my sample size might not be – finding the right word is hard, my stats class was too long ago – large or representative enough?!
PS: The north elevation is probably still incorrect. The recess in the entrance area is missing.
Office is now in the southwest.
The open-plan living/dining/kitchen area is smaller, but the kitchen is now more open.
The straight staircase remains.
Storage room has been removed.
The entrance area is now easier to access from the driveway and is recessed, making it somewhat better protected from the west weather.
The living space is consistently oriented towards the east and therefore towards the garden. Now the living area is also completely shielded from view from the street.
The upper floor has only minimal changes to the load-bearing walls, but the staircase and hallway have been swapped.
I like it much better now – even though I still can’t look out at the street from the kitchen. On the plus side, this does increase privacy significantly.
Where am I unsure now?
Arrangement of the cloakroom/shower toilet on the ground floor – possibly swap?
Narrow floor-to-ceiling window in the kitchen. Maybe we can adjust the window areas, reduce the symmetry, and continue the kitchen windows at the same height as the office windows.
Extension cantilevered towards the east to frame the gable visually. Here, we could consider making the gable flush with the rest of the wall and use brick cladding. This would only create a contrasting color spot on the street-facing side.
What’s my next step?
Graph paper is already ready here. Now I get to prove my handyman skills. I hope an iPhone screen repair and battery replacement qualify me to wield the craft knife competently. Crafting and decoration are usually outsourced to my wife.
This weekend, we might visit the nearest model home park to look at similar floor plans and get a better sense of the space.
kaho674 schrieb:
I find the fear of triplets quite funny, though.
I am finding it less and less funny somehow. I spoke to two colleagues today. One had to rezone after the build was completed. Another barely managed to stop the plans and start over. The problem of unexpectedly many children does not seem that rare after all. Although I guess my sample size might not be – finding the right word is hard, my stats class was too long ago – large or representative enough?!
PS: The north elevation is probably still incorrect. The recess in the entrance area is missing.
I think this looks pretty good. The basement could be interesting – you were considering having 2 rooms with light wells there, right, or has that changed?
What I don’t like are the long, narrow slit windows on the south side. I would try to maximize the width here – the walk-in closet probably defines the size. Or do you like it this way? It’s really a matter of personal taste.
The living room is only 4 m (13 feet) deep. That’s completely sufficient and fine, but it used to be larger – which is a bit of a pity, though only a minor one.
Otherwise, I wouldn’t change the cloakroom or guest toilet. The bedroom under the roof on the south side is quite hot – air conditioning is really necessary. I’m not a fan of the bathroom layout – it feels too cramped. But to me, it already looks almost final.
Oh, and generally speaking, a sample size of about 1000 participants is considered representative. With every additional multiple birth in the neighborhood, your chances logically decrease. But it is also said that randomness is not uniformly or normally distributed. So, good luck!
What I don’t like are the long, narrow slit windows on the south side. I would try to maximize the width here – the walk-in closet probably defines the size. Or do you like it this way? It’s really a matter of personal taste.
The living room is only 4 m (13 feet) deep. That’s completely sufficient and fine, but it used to be larger – which is a bit of a pity, though only a minor one.
Otherwise, I wouldn’t change the cloakroom or guest toilet. The bedroom under the roof on the south side is quite hot – air conditioning is really necessary. I’m not a fan of the bathroom layout – it feels too cramped. But to me, it already looks almost final.
Oh, and generally speaking, a sample size of about 1000 participants is considered representative. With every additional multiple birth in the neighborhood, your chances logically decrease. But it is also said that randomness is not uniformly or normally distributed. So, good luck!
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