ᐅ Single-family house floor plan, approximately 200 sqm without a basement – assessment

Created on: 14 Dec 2014 10:37
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Slammer0909
Hello everyone,

I have been following this forum for some time now, looking at other threads as well as their floor plans and feedback.
My wife and I are already in contact with a construction company, and the floor plan is roughly finalized. I also contributed to the design of the ground floor.
However, I am not satisfied with the layout of the upper floor because you have to walk through the dressing area to reach the bedroom.

I have been planning and moving walls around for about a year now, and I am starting to get somewhat "blind" to the design.
I would really appreciate any constructive feedback, both positive and negative, on the floor plan.

The rooms are quite large, but we prefer it that way (child’s room about 20sqm (215 sq ft), etc.).
Originally, we wanted a full basement, but due to the groundwater level, this is no longer possible.
That is why the rooms are arranged around the garage, with a large utility room including a cloakroom on the ground floor, and a laundry room on the upper floor.
The site plan including the property boundary is provided just to help visualize the dimensions of the plot.

Attached are the floor plans.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,
Mathias

Grundriss eines Einfamilienhauses mit Garage, Gästezimmer, Wohnen/Essen, Küche, Bad, Fluren, HWR, WC.


Architektur-Grundriss eines Hauses mit zwei Schlafzimmern, Küche, Bad, Wohnzimmer und Fluren.


Grundriss eines Hauses: Garage/Hobby, 2 Kinderzimmer, Schlafzimmer, Bad, Flur, Balkon, Sauna.
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Slammer0909
4 Feb 2015 19:11
Whoops...
I honestly don’t know where to start.

What you’ve done is really impressive! Thanks so much already.
I really like how you combined the garage and the house into one unit. The living room might almost be a bit too large.
On the one hand, it’s almost annoying that from the street you can see straight to the dining table, but that could probably be fixed with pleated blinds.

It’s really a cool alternative that I need to take a closer look at and think about. You’ve put a lot of thought into it, and since you know me better now, I think that’s clearly noticeable in a positive way.

One thing I want to point out, or that I noticed: I’m afraid the sloped roof above the party room won’t work like that, or it would have to extend at least 1.5m (5 feet) inward, like in the architect’s drawing from BU.
You know, the 2m (6.5 feet) height line (see the very south) must also be somewhere there.
Because I have an eaves height of 4.5m (15 feet), which normally means a knee wall of about 1.1m (3.5 feet), followed by a slope of 30° (maybe 35° possible).
So how is it supposed to be higher in the party room? Or if it works there without deep slopes, I don’t understand why it wouldn’t work for the rest of the house all the time... (?)

Am I missing something here?

A second thing: Please make sure to include the second staircase and a small bathroom in the garage. That would be really nice and important. I even sketched it out in your design already.
The seating area in the kitchen could even be extended around the corner, and then adjust the countertop of the kitchen island accordingly. Although the general wish was to have a seating area at table height, and a raised bar area at the kitchen island. That would be lost now, but of course you can’t have everything.
Somehow, 15sqm (160 sq ft) for the kitchen feels “too small” to me. I currently have exactly 15sqm (160 sq ft) with about 3.5 x 4.4m (11.5 x 14.5 feet). It’s an L-shape and there is room for a dining table, yes. But if I’m building new, I had hoped for more... :-(

And in general, when I look just at the floor plan: it really looks like a very wide Frisian-style house with an integrated garage.
So why not extend the ridge line fully like over the party room? The kids would have big windows facing south.
But then the sloped roof would run awkwardly along the whole length, meaning over the bedrooms, dressing room, etc. on the west side as well. But it would look very nice from the street view, I think.

Wow, you really came up with something...
But could you please address my questions?

Thanks and best regards


Grundriss eines Hauses mit Garage, Küche, Wohnzimmer, Essbereich, Flur, Treppe; pink/blau markiert.


EDIT: Oh, and one more thing—can I theoretically stretch the ground floor bathroom so it’s longer and narrower to fit a staircase in the hallway that’s either completely straight or, if necessary, turns at the bottom? It would be a bit different upstairs, but should be doable.

The balcony now faces directly towards the street, but since it’s not very busy, the laundry will just have to be hung there in summer.
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kbt09
4 Feb 2015 19:27
What you outlined doesn’t work. I spent a long time working with the floor plan, and simply moving walls isn’t an option. It disrupts the straight flow of the hallway, and the living room ends up with an entrance tunnel that’s 110 cm (43 inches) wide but 150 cm (59 inches) long, among other issues. Also, why do you insist on having the sofa in that exact position? It’s much nicer along the east wall, and it also offers the subtle advantage of natural morning light. In winter, low sun from the south won’t interfere with the view of the screen.

The view of the dining area from the street… the plot will be landscaped anyway. I like the large, sun-filled space with three big window sections. The sliding door on the west side basically serves as an exit to the west part of the terrace, where you’ll probably barbecue in the evenings during summer to enjoy the last rays of sunlight.

The second staircase eliminates the bike storage space. And I really see NO added benefit to the party room—quite the opposite: increased costs due to the second staircase, second doorbell, and so on. Using the first staircase to access the party room doesn’t interfere with private living at all. You just install a door opener upstairs, and there’s no problem.

Why is the toilet located in the garage?

I extended the roof over the party room as a dormer to the left. It has a 20° roof pitch and, if I remember correctly, a knee wall height of 220 cm (87 inches). The reason this works so well is that the other roof is much wider and steeper with a 30° pitch.
I also briefly considered what you had in mind, but I didn’t have the patience to try it out. Roof design is tricky, and I’m not very confident because I don’t understand it well enough. Plus, the problem is that the sloping ceilings then encroach on the upper floor rooms where they are really unwanted.
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Slammer0909
4 Feb 2015 19:35
I do see the added benefit, though.
I plan to regularly meet up there with my people for Carrera evenings.

That way, people can come and go without disturbing anyone.

If the kids later want to meet there more often, they could use it as well. The bathroom would then be for parties. When the kids celebrate their 18th birthday there, I won’t have to have them all in my guest bathroom in the evening.
Overall, I think this kind of separation is better for that situation. When we celebrate regular birthdays and such in the house, everyone is inside. When we have parties, it can be nicely isolated so not everyone has to walk through the house again. Similar to a basement.
A party basement (in the cellar) would probably have a direct toilet anyway.
Also, you can wash your hands after gardening or quickly use the bathroom there, so double use.

I just don’t think it works well without the staircase.

Okay, so the party room will probably be very tight with a ceiling height of 4.5m (15 feet) above ground level / street surface. Because the ground floor already has a ceiling height of about 2.5m (8 feet), plus the 2.2m (7 feet) above, and unfortunately, I’m over that.
We originally wanted to build an urban villa to avoid sloping ceilings.
Having a single story is not a problem, as it can be achieved with recesses, etc. But the eaves height is the issue.

Or if it should work like that, why wouldn’t I set the kneewall to 1.8m (6 feet) everywhere and make the roof 20°. Unfortunately, there’s the problem with the ceiling height.

Okay, simply moving walls doesn’t work; you’re right, the passage corridor to the living room would be too long and awkward.
I’ll try your idea in my software and experiment a bit. I can’t manage roofs at all with it.

But I do think the idea of an extra-wide Friesengasse would be really nice.
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kbt09
4 Feb 2015 20:03
But you don’t just leave the side door open either. People have to ring the bell ... and where exactly is the privacy issue if only this one staircase is used?

A bathroom for the garden ... okay ... then please explain what storage space you actually need in the garage workshop and for what purposes.

Oh yes, the eaves height ... here are two more views, the dormer by the party room has been changed. And two cross-sections.

Floor plan: master bedroom, two children's rooms, family bathroom, hallway, staircase.


House floor plan: ground floor with living room, party room, kitchen, bathroom; sectional cut with garage.
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tobia
8 Feb 2015 22:10
I haven’t read everything. I’m curious: What is the expected cost? We were looking at a standard, off-the-shelf house here, 160m² (basement, ground floor, attic) without flooring, garage, garden, or parking spaces, and it was already over 300,000€.