ᐅ Single-family house floor plan, approximately 200 sqm without a basement – assessment
Created on: 14 Dec 2014 10:37
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Slammer0909
Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for some time now, looking at other threads as well as their floor plans and feedback.
My wife and I are already in contact with a construction company, and the floor plan is roughly finalized. I also contributed to the design of the ground floor.
However, I am not satisfied with the layout of the upper floor because you have to walk through the dressing area to reach the bedroom.
I have been planning and moving walls around for about a year now, and I am starting to get somewhat "blind" to the design.
I would really appreciate any constructive feedback, both positive and negative, on the floor plan.
The rooms are quite large, but we prefer it that way (child’s room about 20sqm (215 sq ft), etc.).
Originally, we wanted a full basement, but due to the groundwater level, this is no longer possible.
That is why the rooms are arranged around the garage, with a large utility room including a cloakroom on the ground floor, and a laundry room on the upper floor.
The site plan including the property boundary is provided just to help visualize the dimensions of the plot.
Attached are the floor plans.
Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mathias
I have been following this forum for some time now, looking at other threads as well as their floor plans and feedback.
My wife and I are already in contact with a construction company, and the floor plan is roughly finalized. I also contributed to the design of the ground floor.
However, I am not satisfied with the layout of the upper floor because you have to walk through the dressing area to reach the bedroom.
I have been planning and moving walls around for about a year now, and I am starting to get somewhat "blind" to the design.
I would really appreciate any constructive feedback, both positive and negative, on the floor plan.
The rooms are quite large, but we prefer it that way (child’s room about 20sqm (215 sq ft), etc.).
Originally, we wanted a full basement, but due to the groundwater level, this is no longer possible.
That is why the rooms are arranged around the garage, with a large utility room including a cloakroom on the ground floor, and a laundry room on the upper floor.
The site plan including the property boundary is provided just to help visualize the dimensions of the plot.
Attached are the floor plans.
Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mathias
kaho674 schrieb:
I don’t see an L-shape, but okay? What was planned for the kitchen otherwise? Are there any design requirements? It wasn’t on the list. Ah, now I know what you mean! The cabinets! Because of the kitchen island. Yes, cabinets out and kitchen island in. Let’s see what’s possible.
The thread has so many posts for a reason, as Slammer gradually introduced his requirements over the first 70 messages.
I could also casually share some floor plans, but I think that would be counterproductive here, since it’s difficult to have a proper discussion with Slammer at a forum level.
For example, I would incorporate the plank wall into the planning, even if it meant tearing down this fence. It doesn’t really make sense to present the house without windows on two sides and to leave large square meters of the plot, especially the eastern strip, unused.
A professional architect needs to be involved, especially considering the costs. I believe a specialist could create a different foundation for discussions with Slammer to help him overcome his rigidity.
I could also casually share some floor plans, but I think that would be counterproductive here, since it’s difficult to have a proper discussion with Slammer at a forum level.
For example, I would incorporate the plank wall into the planning, even if it meant tearing down this fence. It doesn’t really make sense to present the house without windows on two sides and to leave large square meters of the plot, especially the eastern strip, unused.
A professional architect needs to be involved, especially considering the costs. I believe a specialist could create a different foundation for discussions with Slammer to help him overcome his rigidity.
Sorry
Ok, I was only focusing on the list.
Sounds quite frustrated. For me, floor planning is fun. If it doesn’t fit, I keep trying. If I get bored, I just stop. Slammer has his own ideas, that’s not a problem. After all, he has to live there.
Sorry, I couldn’t follow that. Two sides without windows? The garage is clear, but even there I have windows. The utility rooms just face the wooden fence. For a storage room that’s not so critical, in my opinion. The important thing is you can air it out sometimes. Is that fence actually his? I thought it belonged to the neighbor. Otherwise, get rid of it and plant some nice bushes.
Yes, I would check the costs first. Every square meter costs at least around 1500 euros (approx. $1600). The party room at least around 1200 euros (approx. $1300), and the garage won’t be any cheaper in the end. Especially not with all the auxiliary rooms.
So if I look at the original floor plan, I’d roughly estimate (I can’t read all the numbers): 200 m² (2150 sq ft) garage + party room x 1200 euros (approx. $1300) = 240,000 euros (approx. $256,000) + living area: 240 m² (2580 sq ft) x at least 1500 euros (approx. $1600) = 360,000 euros (approx. $384,000), total first estimate 600,000 euros (approx. $640,000). And I probably calculated on the low side. That’s okay if it’s within the plan. Is it?
ypg schrieb:
The thread didn’t get dozens of posts for no reason, because Slammer gradually presented his requirements in the first 70 posts.
Ok, I was only focusing on the list.
ypg schrieb:
I could also throw in some floor plans just like that, but I think that would be counterproductive here, since it’s hard to have a proper discussion with Slammer at a forum level.
Sounds quite frustrated. For me, floor planning is fun. If it doesn’t fit, I keep trying. If I get bored, I just stop. Slammer has his own ideas, that’s not a problem. After all, he has to live there.
ypg schrieb:
I would include the wooden fence in the planning, even if it means tearing it down. It doesn’t make much sense to present the house without windows on two sides and ignore a large area of the property, the east strip, from outside. ...
Sorry, I couldn’t follow that. Two sides without windows? The garage is clear, but even there I have windows. The utility rooms just face the wooden fence. For a storage room that’s not so critical, in my opinion. The important thing is you can air it out sometimes. Is that fence actually his? I thought it belonged to the neighbor. Otherwise, get rid of it and plant some nice bushes.
ypg schrieb:
You need an architect to get involved, also regarding the costs ... I think a professional could establish a different basis with Slammer to help get him out of his deadlock.
Yes, I would check the costs first. Every square meter costs at least around 1500 euros (approx. $1600). The party room at least around 1200 euros (approx. $1300), and the garage won’t be any cheaper in the end. Especially not with all the auxiliary rooms.
So if I look at the original floor plan, I’d roughly estimate (I can’t read all the numbers): 200 m² (2150 sq ft) garage + party room x 1200 euros (approx. $1300) = 240,000 euros (approx. $256,000) + living area: 240 m² (2580 sq ft) x at least 1500 euros (approx. $1600) = 360,000 euros (approx. $384,000), total first estimate 600,000 euros (approx. $640,000). And I probably calculated on the low side. That’s okay if it’s within the plan. Is it?
@kaho674 I understand you—I also enjoy it, especially the challenges when the conditions are not straightforward.
However, if you’ve been following the thread, you also get to know a bit about Slammer’s approach. Add to that a long and narrow plot... and no experience with an architect. An architect already has a much better overview of how to approach a problem. As the client, you shouldn’t forget your own requirements for the house, but you also shouldn’t be too fixed on having a certain room strictly on the west or east side. Someone here or a good architect might come up with a perfect house design, but since TE Slammer is set on having the kitchen on the west side, that design will probably be worse than his own.
As long as he doesn’t decide to consult an architect, it will be a poorly planned house: a corner here, a projection there, or a passage somewhere else because nothing fits properly.
You can only draw what you know yourself—so what does a layperson really know???
I also think the statement from a builder estimating the costs at 280,000 (I don’t know if that includes the garage or not) is a completely wrong basis for the development of this house.
That’s why I believe further advice might not guide Slammer in the right direction.
I would look forward to soon seeing and discussing Slammer’s architect’s plan here (a new thread works too ).
Best regards, Yvonne
However, if you’ve been following the thread, you also get to know a bit about Slammer’s approach. Add to that a long and narrow plot... and no experience with an architect. An architect already has a much better overview of how to approach a problem. As the client, you shouldn’t forget your own requirements for the house, but you also shouldn’t be too fixed on having a certain room strictly on the west or east side. Someone here or a good architect might come up with a perfect house design, but since TE Slammer is set on having the kitchen on the west side, that design will probably be worse than his own.
As long as he doesn’t decide to consult an architect, it will be a poorly planned house: a corner here, a projection there, or a passage somewhere else because nothing fits properly.
You can only draw what you know yourself—so what does a layperson really know???
I also think the statement from a builder estimating the costs at 280,000 (I don’t know if that includes the garage or not) is a completely wrong basis for the development of this house.
That’s why I believe further advice might not guide Slammer in the right direction.
I would look forward to soon seeing and discussing Slammer’s architect’s plan here (a new thread works too ).
Best regards, Yvonne
Yvonne, I completely agree with you.
@kaho674 ... I know, I also enjoy figuring out floor plans. But because of the long history, I recommended the whole thread to you. The added fun comes when you can spark the original poster’s interest with an idea. To do that, you have to consider the requirements enough so that the original poster recognizes themselves in it. And for any omitted requirements, you should always provide your own reasoning for why you left them out. Only then can it potentially offer the original poster new perspectives. However, it’s clear that Slammer is quite rigid on many points. For example, I find all the storage space rather oversized, since the rooms themselves aren’t small, and cleverly placed necessary storage would be more appropriate. That said, I do think having space for four bicycles, a lawn mower, and garden furniture storage is practical.
Regarding the costs, I share your view—it will be an expensive project, especially since there needs to be direct access to the garage and living space above it is planned.
@kaho674 ... I know, I also enjoy figuring out floor plans. But because of the long history, I recommended the whole thread to you. The added fun comes when you can spark the original poster’s interest with an idea. To do that, you have to consider the requirements enough so that the original poster recognizes themselves in it. And for any omitted requirements, you should always provide your own reasoning for why you left them out. Only then can it potentially offer the original poster new perspectives. However, it’s clear that Slammer is quite rigid on many points. For example, I find all the storage space rather oversized, since the rooms themselves aren’t small, and cleverly placed necessary storage would be more appropriate. That said, I do think having space for four bicycles, a lawn mower, and garden furniture storage is practical.
Regarding the costs, I share your view—it will be an expensive project, especially since there needs to be direct access to the garage and living space above it is planned.
kbt09 schrieb:
Yvonne, I fully agree with you.
@kaho674 ... I know, I also enjoy working out floor plans. But, because of the long history, I recommended the entire thread to you. The extra fun is when you can ignite the original poster (OP) with your idea. For that, you really have to consider the requirements enough so that the OP can see themselves in it. And for any omitted requirements, you should always explain your reasons for leaving them out. Only then can it possibly provide the OP with new perspectives. However, it is noticeable that Slammer is quite fixed in many aspects. For example, I consider the storage areas to be oversized since the rooms themselves are not small, and it would be better to create cleverly placed storage for needed items. Still, I find space for four bikes, a lawn mower, and storing garden furniture very practical.
Regarding the costs, I see it like you — this will be an expensive project, especially since there must be a passage to the garage and living space above it.That’s right, kbt!
Living space and garage: it will either be more expensive or the architect might have a completely different (more cost-effective) way to integrate a recreational room.
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