ᐅ Single-family house floor plan, approximately 200 sqm without a basement – assessment
Created on: 14 Dec 2014 10:37
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Slammer0909
Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for some time now, looking at other threads as well as their floor plans and feedback.
My wife and I are already in contact with a construction company, and the floor plan is roughly finalized. I also contributed to the design of the ground floor.
However, I am not satisfied with the layout of the upper floor because you have to walk through the dressing area to reach the bedroom.
I have been planning and moving walls around for about a year now, and I am starting to get somewhat "blind" to the design.
I would really appreciate any constructive feedback, both positive and negative, on the floor plan.
The rooms are quite large, but we prefer it that way (child’s room about 20sqm (215 sq ft), etc.).
Originally, we wanted a full basement, but due to the groundwater level, this is no longer possible.
That is why the rooms are arranged around the garage, with a large utility room including a cloakroom on the ground floor, and a laundry room on the upper floor.
The site plan including the property boundary is provided just to help visualize the dimensions of the plot.
Attached are the floor plans.
Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mathias
I have been following this forum for some time now, looking at other threads as well as their floor plans and feedback.
My wife and I are already in contact with a construction company, and the floor plan is roughly finalized. I also contributed to the design of the ground floor.
However, I am not satisfied with the layout of the upper floor because you have to walk through the dressing area to reach the bedroom.
I have been planning and moving walls around for about a year now, and I am starting to get somewhat "blind" to the design.
I would really appreciate any constructive feedback, both positive and negative, on the floor plan.
The rooms are quite large, but we prefer it that way (child’s room about 20sqm (215 sq ft), etc.).
Originally, we wanted a full basement, but due to the groundwater level, this is no longer possible.
That is why the rooms are arranged around the garage, with a large utility room including a cloakroom on the ground floor, and a laundry room on the upper floor.
The site plan including the property boundary is provided just to help visualize the dimensions of the plot.
Attached are the floor plans.
Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Mathias
That really isn’t my style of living, especially not for a home. Two entrance areas, and so on.
But I do have to say... I don’t see where you would bump into the living room wall with the chairs getting up in this layout:
Unlike you, I always depict seats at tables with chairs in a seated position. Just take a look, for example, at your kitchen seating area.
With a hallway depth of 208 cm (82 inches), the front door won’t be hitting coats in the wardrobe.
And passageways of 80 to 90 cm (31 to 35 inches) in the storage area are absolutely sufficient for taking items off the storage shelves.
You’re just converting a huge amount of space for building services, storage rooms, pantry, and utility room. In the last version from the developer alone, this was about 42 square meters (452 square feet) within the building envelope. In my last version, it was around 27 square meters (290 square feet), and that’s already a lot.
Your partition options then mean that only the ground floor resident still has access to the house through the garage.
But, as wie willWohnen already said, it will be your house. You can take note of arguments and so on, make your decisions, and you have to live there. At least you can say there was plenty of “headwind” and you had to rethink everything.
But I do have to say... I don’t see where you would bump into the living room wall with the chairs getting up in this layout:
Unlike you, I always depict seats at tables with chairs in a seated position. Just take a look, for example, at your kitchen seating area.
With a hallway depth of 208 cm (82 inches), the front door won’t be hitting coats in the wardrobe.
And passageways of 80 to 90 cm (31 to 35 inches) in the storage area are absolutely sufficient for taking items off the storage shelves.
You’re just converting a huge amount of space for building services, storage rooms, pantry, and utility room. In the last version from the developer alone, this was about 42 square meters (452 square feet) within the building envelope. In my last version, it was around 27 square meters (290 square feet), and that’s already a lot.
Your partition options then mean that only the ground floor resident still has access to the house through the garage.
But, as wie willWohnen already said, it will be your house. You can take note of arguments and so on, make your decisions, and you have to live there. At least you can say there was plenty of “headwind” and you had to rethink everything.
Oh yes ... in case of separating the upper floor/ground floor, the guest room, which then becomes a bedroom, should be designed so that a large double bed and at least 3 to 4 meters (10 to 13 feet) of wardrobe space can be comfortably accommodated. Otherwise, all the ideas about spatial separation don’t make sense.
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Slammer090927 Jan 2015 19:28Hello,
In my opinion, 208cm (82 inches) is too narrow. The jackets are meant to hang at an angle, so they need about 65cm (26 inches) of space. Then the door swings open with a 1m (39 inches) turning radius. Okay, that leaves 0.5m (20 inches) remaining, I agree with you.
But if you look at it more holistically... the designs aren’t that drastically different. Similar room sizes, just arranged a bit differently. I simply include more in the kitchen than you do, but otherwise...
I don’t understand your comments about the ancillary rooms. You have 27m² (290 sq ft) without the corridor. Does the version from the developer include the corridor? Or how do you arrive at 42m² (452 sq ft) and 27m² (290 sq ft)?
The separation or after a separation between ground floor and upper floor means the children must enter through the main entrance and are not allowed to go through the garage, that’s correct. Or if it’s rented out to someone else, that person shouldn’t go through the garage either. A 2.5m (8 feet) wardrobe could fit in the bedroom downstairs. That should be sufficient as people get older; alternatively, the children’s belongings can be moved out and I have “emergency closets” in the utility room. I also considered that I wouldn’t be able to mount a TV on the wall in your ground floor bedroom.
About my point regarding chairs: When I’m sitting in the living room with several people around the coffee table, the dining chairs (or others) are usually placed around the coffee table. In that case, the space between the living room wall/TV and Hi-Fi wall and the coffee table would be too tight at 4.48m (14 feet 8 inches). That was poorly expressed, apologies.
In my opinion, 208cm (82 inches) is too narrow. The jackets are meant to hang at an angle, so they need about 65cm (26 inches) of space. Then the door swings open with a 1m (39 inches) turning radius. Okay, that leaves 0.5m (20 inches) remaining, I agree with you.
But if you look at it more holistically... the designs aren’t that drastically different. Similar room sizes, just arranged a bit differently. I simply include more in the kitchen than you do, but otherwise...
I don’t understand your comments about the ancillary rooms. You have 27m² (290 sq ft) without the corridor. Does the version from the developer include the corridor? Or how do you arrive at 42m² (452 sq ft) and 27m² (290 sq ft)?
The separation or after a separation between ground floor and upper floor means the children must enter through the main entrance and are not allowed to go through the garage, that’s correct. Or if it’s rented out to someone else, that person shouldn’t go through the garage either. A 2.5m (8 feet) wardrobe could fit in the bedroom downstairs. That should be sufficient as people get older; alternatively, the children’s belongings can be moved out and I have “emergency closets” in the utility room. I also considered that I wouldn’t be able to mount a TV on the wall in your ground floor bedroom.
About my point regarding chairs: When I’m sitting in the living room with several people around the coffee table, the dining chairs (or others) are usually placed around the coffee table. In that case, the space between the living room wall/TV and Hi-Fi wall and the coffee table would be too tight at 4.48m (14 feet 8 inches). That was poorly expressed, apologies.
Developer version:
Storage room on ground floor: 20 sqm (215 sq ft)
Pantry on ground floor: 4.2 sqm (45 sq ft)
Utility room on upper floor: 13 sqm (140 sq ft)
Technical room on upper floor: 4.8 sqm (52 sq ft)
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= 42 sqm (452 sq ft)
My version:
Technical/storage room on ground floor: 18.6 sqm (200 sq ft)
Pantry on ground floor: 3.4 sqm (37 sq ft)
Utility room on upper floor: 6.2 sqm (67 sq ft)
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= 28.2 sqm (304 sq ft)
All without hallways
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Bedroom on the ground floor – if even 250 cm (8.2 ft) of closet space is enough for you as you get older, then in my version the closet can easily be reduced from 4 to 3 meters (13.1 to 9.8 ft) and there is space for a TV… or the TV can be integrated into the closet door and you still have 400 cm (13.1 ft) of closet.
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And here we go again – different lifestyle. If I had so many guests that your large 3.5 m (11.5 ft) U-shaped sofa wouldn’t fit, I would sit with those guests at the table. That’s why it’s always important to have enough space so that the table can be easily extended. When you have that many guests, you’ll also want to put food and drinks out, and it’s much more comfortable to enjoy those at the table where everyone can reach than on the sofa with some central coffee table.
Storage room on ground floor: 20 sqm (215 sq ft)
Pantry on ground floor: 4.2 sqm (45 sq ft)
Utility room on upper floor: 13 sqm (140 sq ft)
Technical room on upper floor: 4.8 sqm (52 sq ft)
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= 42 sqm (452 sq ft)
My version:
Technical/storage room on ground floor: 18.6 sqm (200 sq ft)
Pantry on ground floor: 3.4 sqm (37 sq ft)
Utility room on upper floor: 6.2 sqm (67 sq ft)
---------------------
= 28.2 sqm (304 sq ft)
All without hallways
.......
Bedroom on the ground floor – if even 250 cm (8.2 ft) of closet space is enough for you as you get older, then in my version the closet can easily be reduced from 4 to 3 meters (13.1 to 9.8 ft) and there is space for a TV… or the TV can be integrated into the closet door and you still have 400 cm (13.1 ft) of closet.
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And here we go again – different lifestyle. If I had so many guests that your large 3.5 m (11.5 ft) U-shaped sofa wouldn’t fit, I would sit with those guests at the table. That’s why it’s always important to have enough space so that the table can be easily extended. When you have that many guests, you’ll also want to put food and drinks out, and it’s much more comfortable to enjoy those at the table where everyone can reach than on the sofa with some central coffee table.
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Slammer090927 Jan 2015 20:19Of course, people also sit at the table. But in my version/vision, you CAN also sit around the coffee table. Or at both at the same time... and so on.
We would like to have a laundry room on the upper floor where laundry can be washed and processed. Therefore, having that room on the upper floor is very important to us, and the 13sqm (140 sq ft) size is just right—not too big.
Instead of a basement, we planned for a cloakroom on the ground floor—what others would call a large utility room. Then on the upper floor, a separate laundry room with at least 10sqm (108 sq ft) so that everything fits comfortably: ironing board, drying rack, etc.
It’s clear that your vision for the upper floor doesn’t match ours, so I stopped discussing it.
I just don’t like rooms that are too small; they should be generously sized!
Regarding perspectives and lifestyle—this house is large enough so that all rooms can be a practical size. For example, a 20sqm (215 sq ft) kitchen is not small in my opinion. The living room is actually borderline small—I agree with that.
You’re right about the closet. A 2.5m (8 ft) wide closet fits in, and the TV can go in the corner, okay.
At one point, I was already leaning towards 12.5 x 12m (41 x 39 ft). I’m considering adopting that size again, but this time adding 50cm (20 inches) in width. That would benefit the ground floor bedroom and the kitchen/seating area.
But actually, 12 x 12m (39 x 39 ft) should already be sufficiently spacious.
We would like to have a laundry room on the upper floor where laundry can be washed and processed. Therefore, having that room on the upper floor is very important to us, and the 13sqm (140 sq ft) size is just right—not too big.
Instead of a basement, we planned for a cloakroom on the ground floor—what others would call a large utility room. Then on the upper floor, a separate laundry room with at least 10sqm (108 sq ft) so that everything fits comfortably: ironing board, drying rack, etc.
It’s clear that your vision for the upper floor doesn’t match ours, so I stopped discussing it.
I just don’t like rooms that are too small; they should be generously sized!
Regarding perspectives and lifestyle—this house is large enough so that all rooms can be a practical size. For example, a 20sqm (215 sq ft) kitchen is not small in my opinion. The living room is actually borderline small—I agree with that.
You’re right about the closet. A 2.5m (8 ft) wide closet fits in, and the TV can go in the corner, okay.
At one point, I was already leaning towards 12.5 x 12m (41 x 39 ft). I’m considering adopting that size again, but this time adding 50cm (20 inches) in width. That would benefit the ground floor bedroom and the kitchen/seating area.
But actually, 12 x 12m (39 x 39 ft) should already be sufficiently spacious.
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Slammer090927 Jan 2015 20:33I just realized that the laundry room in your design on the upper floor would be completely under the sloped ceiling. We have a maximum desired ceiling height of 4.5m (15 feet) and a roof pitch of 30°. The knee wall height is 1.1m (3.6 feet).
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