ᐅ Single-family house floor plan, approximately 200 sqm – comments welcome
Created on: 22 Oct 2020 21:24
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Carlotte
Dear forum,
After spending hours as silent readers in this forum, my partner and I are now ready to share our floor plan for your feedback.
First, here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1322 sqm (approx. 14,230 sq ft); about 23 x 56 m (75 x 184 ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Floor area ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Edge development: No, only carport/garage and garden shed or storage shed allowed
Number of parking spaces: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Number of stories: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Roof style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Design style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Orientation: corner plot approx. 23 x 56 m, streets to the north and west
Maximum height/restrictions: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Other requirements: none
Client Requirements
Design style, roof type, building type: Modern but not too "clean"; preferably a gable roof with a shallow pitch (20–25°)
Basement, stories: no basement, preferably 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: currently 2 (30 and 31 years old), planning for 2 children
Space requirements ground floor, upper floor: Ground floor: entrance hall + cloakroom, guest toilet, office/guest room, large utility room + pantry, open living/dining/kitchen area, approx. 100–110 sqm (1076–1184 sq ft);
Upper floor: 2 children's rooms, children's bathroom, open "parents’ area" with dressing room and master bath, small storage room, preferably gallery/open space, approx. 90 sqm (969 sq ft)
Office: occasional home office use, combined workspace and guest room
Overnight guests per year: 10 nights
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern, not too "clean"
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with freestanding island; slight separation between dining and living areas desired
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double carport
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included: if possible, an open staircase
House design
Who designed it: DIY based on various sources
What do you particularly like? Why?: Separation of dining and living areas despite open layout; direct passage from carport into utility room/pantry and then the kitchen; open space with view of the garden; all bedrooms facing the garden; rectangular building shape
What do you dislike? Why?: -
Price estimate according to architect/planner: floor plans of comparable size were around €450,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: €550,000–580,000 including carport, excluding landscaping (plot already owned)
Preferred heating system: ground source heat pump, KFW 55 standard
If you have to give up something, on which features/extensions
-you can give up: open staircase; storage room upstairs; fireplace
-you cannot give up: all other rooms in some form
Why is the design as it is now?
A mix of many examples. So far, the floor plans we received from planners were less to our liking.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters? Affordable (in Lower Saxony; urban area)? Can the staircase on the upper floor be built as shown? Does a ventilation system make sense for KFW 55?
Please ignore the window placement for now; it is rather arbitrary at the moment. The house will be positioned with a 3 m (10 ft) setback on the northeast side of the plot. This means the garden will extend to the south (short side, approx. 23 m (75 ft) total width) and west (approx. 56 m (184 ft) length).
Suggestions, comments, and improvement ideas are very welcome.
Many thanks in advance and best regards,
Carlotta
After spending hours as silent readers in this forum, my partner and I are now ready to share our floor plan for your feedback.
First, here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1322 sqm (approx. 14,230 sq ft); about 23 x 56 m (75 x 184 ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Floor area ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Edge development: No, only carport/garage and garden shed or storage shed allowed
Number of parking spaces: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Number of stories: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Roof style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Design style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Orientation: corner plot approx. 23 x 56 m, streets to the north and west
Maximum height/restrictions: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Other requirements: none
Client Requirements
Design style, roof type, building type: Modern but not too "clean"; preferably a gable roof with a shallow pitch (20–25°)
Basement, stories: no basement, preferably 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: currently 2 (30 and 31 years old), planning for 2 children
Space requirements ground floor, upper floor: Ground floor: entrance hall + cloakroom, guest toilet, office/guest room, large utility room + pantry, open living/dining/kitchen area, approx. 100–110 sqm (1076–1184 sq ft);
Upper floor: 2 children's rooms, children's bathroom, open "parents’ area" with dressing room and master bath, small storage room, preferably gallery/open space, approx. 90 sqm (969 sq ft)
Office: occasional home office use, combined workspace and guest room
Overnight guests per year: 10 nights
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern, not too "clean"
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with freestanding island; slight separation between dining and living areas desired
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double carport
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included: if possible, an open staircase
House design
Who designed it: DIY based on various sources
What do you particularly like? Why?: Separation of dining and living areas despite open layout; direct passage from carport into utility room/pantry and then the kitchen; open space with view of the garden; all bedrooms facing the garden; rectangular building shape
What do you dislike? Why?: -
Price estimate according to architect/planner: floor plans of comparable size were around €450,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: €550,000–580,000 including carport, excluding landscaping (plot already owned)
Preferred heating system: ground source heat pump, KFW 55 standard
If you have to give up something, on which features/extensions
-you can give up: open staircase; storage room upstairs; fireplace
-you cannot give up: all other rooms in some form
Why is the design as it is now?
A mix of many examples. So far, the floor plans we received from planners were less to our liking.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters? Affordable (in Lower Saxony; urban area)? Can the staircase on the upper floor be built as shown? Does a ventilation system make sense for KFW 55?
Please ignore the window placement for now; it is rather arbitrary at the moment. The house will be positioned with a 3 m (10 ft) setback on the northeast side of the plot. This means the garden will extend to the south (short side, approx. 23 m (75 ft) total width) and west (approx. 56 m (184 ft) length).
Suggestions, comments, and improvement ideas are very welcome.
Many thanks in advance and best regards,
Carlotta
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hampshire26 Oct 2020 10:37An exception regarding the original poster's designs:
I recognize your wishes and ideas in the draft. Unfortunately, the combination of details does not result in a well-functioning living space. The balance between overly generous areas (hallway, open space, the area beneath) and tight allocation of spaces (bathrooms, storage) seems odd. It's as if the available space was insufficient, and a bathroom was just squeezed in. On the lower level, there is a lack of creativity in connecting the living and dining areas within a large open space. The staircase bends awkwardly because the stove takes priority. The windows are designed afterwards, as if they are not an integral part of the overall living quality. The planning approach is not effective, and accordingly, the result is lacking—despite attention to detail in individual aspects.
I recognize your wishes and ideas in the draft. Unfortunately, the combination of details does not result in a well-functioning living space. The balance between overly generous areas (hallway, open space, the area beneath) and tight allocation of spaces (bathrooms, storage) seems odd. It's as if the available space was insufficient, and a bathroom was just squeezed in. On the lower level, there is a lack of creativity in connecting the living and dining areas within a large open space. The staircase bends awkwardly because the stove takes priority. The windows are designed afterwards, as if they are not an integral part of the overall living quality. The planning approach is not effective, and accordingly, the result is lacking—despite attention to detail in individual aspects.
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Alessandro26 Oct 2020 10:42Hausbau2022 schrieb:
Great house @Alessandro. We visited a few yesterday, and for us it’s clear that we wouldn’t build without a double-height space because otherwise I feel too "confined." Are there more pictures of your house, including the floor plan and the house you showed before? There isn’t a dedicated thread. You’ll find a few pictures in the forum.
The floor plan I posted is from the "Regnauer Munich".
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hampshire26 Oct 2020 10:45Open space is great. That’s why we applied it almost across the entire area and simply omitted the upper floor for the most part. However, this doesn’t really help the original poster either.
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Nice-Nofret26 Oct 2020 11:28I understand that Alessandro is attached to the open space – the upper hallway is nicely designed, and I also like the railings. However, for me, the open space feels too small and narrow, and you really have to carefully consider whether it fits into the overall concept. In the case of the original poster, it simply doesn’t work because the overall design is not cohesive. It is Alessandro who is so fixated on the open space here, not me; for me, it was just one of many aspects that made the floor plan seem unbalanced.
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Alessandro26 Oct 2020 11:55I also think the floor plan from the TS still has significant potential for improvement.
I was referring to your comment in #16 regarding the Regnauer floor plan. I completely disagree with your view that there are major issues and that it can be compared to a tiny house, as you mentioned. This also includes the open space concept.
I was referring to your comment in #16 regarding the Regnauer floor plan. I completely disagree with your view that there are major issues and that it can be compared to a tiny house, as you mentioned. This also includes the open space concept.
Hello again and thank you once more for the engaging discussion.
The suggestions have led to a new draft (see below; interior dimensions entered manually). On the ground floor, we completely redesigned the staircase and enlarged the guest bathroom to allow for an optional additional shower. The space under the stairs could be used either for a small dresser and pictures, or as extra coat storage (open staircase), or as additional storage space (closed staircase). Furthermore, we included a mirror in the cloakroom, which means the wardrobe space in front has been removed. In the kitchen, we rotated the cooking island to create space for an additional counter with two bar stools. Many thanks also for the idea of a continuous kitchen unit with a hidden door. Friends of ours are currently implementing something similar, and we will definitely take a look at it.
On the upper floor, we eliminated the storage room. This also gives us an open hallway with windows on both sides. Thanks to the changed staircase, we were able to enlarge the void space to 3.0m x 2.5m (10 ft x 8 ft), which in our view is sufficient. As has been pointed out multiple times, this is simply a matter of personal taste. However, there remains the option for an open room with a reading nook or similar.
We do not agree that the design is unproductive (admittedly, the second draft still had some significant flaws). In this third draft, thanks to your help, we believe all necessary rooms have now been arranged in suitable sizes and locations. The "wasted" space is certainly no larger than in the often-praised "Regnauer Munich" floor plan. Nevertheless, we remain open to suggestions and criticism.
The suggestions have led to a new draft (see below; interior dimensions entered manually). On the ground floor, we completely redesigned the staircase and enlarged the guest bathroom to allow for an optional additional shower. The space under the stairs could be used either for a small dresser and pictures, or as extra coat storage (open staircase), or as additional storage space (closed staircase). Furthermore, we included a mirror in the cloakroom, which means the wardrobe space in front has been removed. In the kitchen, we rotated the cooking island to create space for an additional counter with two bar stools. Many thanks also for the idea of a continuous kitchen unit with a hidden door. Friends of ours are currently implementing something similar, and we will definitely take a look at it.
On the upper floor, we eliminated the storage room. This also gives us an open hallway with windows on both sides. Thanks to the changed staircase, we were able to enlarge the void space to 3.0m x 2.5m (10 ft x 8 ft), which in our view is sufficient. As has been pointed out multiple times, this is simply a matter of personal taste. However, there remains the option for an open room with a reading nook or similar.
We do not agree that the design is unproductive (admittedly, the second draft still had some significant flaws). In this third draft, thanks to your help, we believe all necessary rooms have now been arranged in suitable sizes and locations. The "wasted" space is certainly no larger than in the often-praised "Regnauer Munich" floor plan. Nevertheless, we remain open to suggestions and criticism.
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