Hello everyone...
After our first floor plan attempt failed completely, we worked with the architect to develop two more ground floor versions and one for the upper floor. I would like to know which ones you find good or bad, and what you generally like or dislike about the floor plans?! Also, the pantry door is drawn a bit oddly; it won’t actually look like that...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size approximately 480 square meters (5167 square feet)
Slope: No
Floor area ratio: No
Building coverage ratio: No
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 19 meters (62 feet)
Edge development: No
Number of parking spaces:
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof shape: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: terrace to the west, bay window to the south
Maximum heights/limits:
Additional specifications:
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type:
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, ages: 2
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Office: family use or home office?
Occasional guests per year: family occasionally
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern building method:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen
Number of dining seats:
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace:
Garage, carport:
Utility garden, greenhouse:
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or should not be included
House design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company
- Architect: yes
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like and why?
What do you not like and why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system:
Heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or extensions:
- can you do without
- cannot do without:
Open kitchen, guest room, window in every room
After our first floor plan attempt failed completely, we worked with the architect to develop two more ground floor versions and one for the upper floor. I would like to know which ones you find good or bad, and what you generally like or dislike about the floor plans?! Also, the pantry door is drawn a bit oddly; it won’t actually look like that...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size approximately 480 square meters (5167 square feet)
Slope: No
Floor area ratio: No
Building coverage ratio: No
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 19 meters (62 feet)
Edge development: No
Number of parking spaces:
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof shape: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: terrace to the west, bay window to the south
Maximum heights/limits:
Additional specifications:
Homeowners’ requirements
Style, roof shape, building type:
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of occupants, ages: 2
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Office: family use or home office?
Occasional guests per year: family occasionally
Open or closed layout: open
Conservative or modern building method:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen
Number of dining seats:
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace:
Garage, carport:
Utility garden, greenhouse:
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why certain things should or should not be included
House design
Who created the plan:
- Planner from a construction company
- Architect: yes
- Do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like and why?
What do you not like and why?
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:
Preferred heating system:
Heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details or extensions:
- can you do without
- cannot do without:
Open kitchen, guest room, window in every room
I attempted a radical simplification of the (ground floor) layout.
The red line shows the interior edge of the exterior wall as the frame within which everything is arranged: 8.885 x 9.385 meters (29.15 x 30.79 feet) plus 3.01 x 1.00 meters (9.88 x 3.28 feet). To keep the overall calculation consistent, I included one load-bearing wall per dimension, designed as 24 cm (9.5 inches) thick (though in the drawing, the wall toward the living area is only 11.5 cm (4.5 inches), while the supplier likely uses 17.5 cm (6.9 inches)).
The staircase position is only roughly indicated as an “L”-shaped stair, winding at the corner but mostly straight, with a short tread at the bottom and an exit near the center above the door to the living area. For the pantry, I’m considering a sliding door running inside the wall, without casing. In the guest room, I gave the option to place a bed sideways along the window wall. However, this means it would also have to serve as a clothes storage area, which I would have preferred to avoid. Since this is intended more as a discussion prompt than a detailed plan, I haven’t worked out all the minor details.
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The red line shows the interior edge of the exterior wall as the frame within which everything is arranged: 8.885 x 9.385 meters (29.15 x 30.79 feet) plus 3.01 x 1.00 meters (9.88 x 3.28 feet). To keep the overall calculation consistent, I included one load-bearing wall per dimension, designed as 24 cm (9.5 inches) thick (though in the drawing, the wall toward the living area is only 11.5 cm (4.5 inches), while the supplier likely uses 17.5 cm (6.9 inches)).
The staircase position is only roughly indicated as an “L”-shaped stair, winding at the corner but mostly straight, with a short tread at the bottom and an exit near the center above the door to the living area. For the pantry, I’m considering a sliding door running inside the wall, without casing. In the guest room, I gave the option to place a bed sideways along the window wall. However, this means it would also have to serve as a clothes storage area, which I would have preferred to avoid. Since this is intended more as a discussion prompt than a detailed plan, I haven’t worked out all the minor details.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Ev-Marie8617 May 2017 21:09I actually think it’s pretty good... I just can’t imagine the furniture arrangement anymore... let alone how the staircase is laid out.. But I like it... except for the door to the pantry... that should come from the kitchen..
Ev-Marie86 schrieb:
I think it’s good... except for the access to the pantry... that should be from the kitchen..In your drawing, it looked like the entrance was planned from the utility room (to have a short route from groceries to the pantry, through the utility room’s exterior door). You had placed the pantry in an inset corner of the kitchen, which I initially intended to copy, but then I realized: it also works without that detour in the wall. This way, the open-plan area can be divided more flexibly.
Ev-Marie86 schrieb:
but now I can’t imagine the furniture arrangement at all...On the contrary: now the flow of all the furniture you can imagine is only limited by the bay window.
So: print it out, grab some scissors, and have fun!
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Ev-Marie8617 May 2017 21:44But you also have a disadvantage with the staircase... you always have to go through the living room to get upstairs... or when "the kids" have visitors... always through there.. hmm.
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Ev-Marie8617 May 2017 22:05Thank you very much anyway for all the effort here, no matter what may come of it now.
Could it be that the pantry is more important to you than the kitchen?
While it’s good to follow your own vision when building a house, as a homeowner you should also consider whether something truly makes sense. A pantry is nice (even though I don’t understand the argument about the heating... nowadays the heating system is like a large refrigerator, it doesn’t smell, and there are no dirty coals lying around – plus, you can avoid heating elements in the freezer/laundry room, which would be the coolest spot in the house), but placing the pantry on the west-facing exterior wall, possibly even with a small window, doesn’t make sense to me. On top of that, it ruins a good kitchen layout. Why must it even be accessible from the kitchen in a medium-sized house (rather small if you compare it to old farm or country houses where pantries were common)?
I find your approach lacks openness to thinking “a few steps ahead.” Just imagine your daily routine: I can’t imagine you (still without children) frequently fetching something from a pantry room – that’s what the refrigerator is for nowadays. So chances are this space might be used to store recycling bags or drinks, which would make constantly fiddling with the pantry in the kitchen annoying.
If the house were 15 meters (49 feet) in length, I could vaguely understand it, but here you’re only a turn away and just one step from any other corner of the house.
Maybe I’m being somewhat unfair: over the past years, I’ve followed many house discussions here and seen how future homeowners carefully planned every inch logically and practically. This includes usable stairs with storage, a TV nook, a kitchen island and storage space, and so on.
Although the kitchen was often only planned as a placeholder, they made sure there was a reasonable area for it. If not, then explanations about circulation space, walking space, work surface, ergonomic work surface, etc. were given.
With you, I don’t know whether you understand, accept or are even aware of the concerns we provide.
What I miss is exchange, a discussion, a reaction to one suggestion or another – I honestly don’t know where else to start except: no straight staircase, no closed staircase, apparently no TV, pantry off the kitchen, kitchen on the west side... pantry... it all seems to revolve around one or two square meters, while everything else seems almost irrelevant.
Please don’t take offense – I’m happy to help, and I just want to offer you some suggestions with the floor plans to show what’s possible. But I couldn’t say whether you like any of them, can warm up to an idea or not, or anything else.
The fact is: you have more than 8 meters (26 feet) of width available – that allows for a lot, but not everything. You have to face that.
I have a clear example right now of someone who wears size 42 clothing trying to squeeze into a size 38, but it doesn’t work. Instead of going for 42, they stuff themselves like a sausage.
Other than that: it’s your house – build it the way you want!
Regards, Yvonne
While it’s good to follow your own vision when building a house, as a homeowner you should also consider whether something truly makes sense. A pantry is nice (even though I don’t understand the argument about the heating... nowadays the heating system is like a large refrigerator, it doesn’t smell, and there are no dirty coals lying around – plus, you can avoid heating elements in the freezer/laundry room, which would be the coolest spot in the house), but placing the pantry on the west-facing exterior wall, possibly even with a small window, doesn’t make sense to me. On top of that, it ruins a good kitchen layout. Why must it even be accessible from the kitchen in a medium-sized house (rather small if you compare it to old farm or country houses where pantries were common)?
I find your approach lacks openness to thinking “a few steps ahead.” Just imagine your daily routine: I can’t imagine you (still without children) frequently fetching something from a pantry room – that’s what the refrigerator is for nowadays. So chances are this space might be used to store recycling bags or drinks, which would make constantly fiddling with the pantry in the kitchen annoying.
If the house were 15 meters (49 feet) in length, I could vaguely understand it, but here you’re only a turn away and just one step from any other corner of the house.
Maybe I’m being somewhat unfair: over the past years, I’ve followed many house discussions here and seen how future homeowners carefully planned every inch logically and practically. This includes usable stairs with storage, a TV nook, a kitchen island and storage space, and so on.
Although the kitchen was often only planned as a placeholder, they made sure there was a reasonable area for it. If not, then explanations about circulation space, walking space, work surface, ergonomic work surface, etc. were given.
With you, I don’t know whether you understand, accept or are even aware of the concerns we provide.
What I miss is exchange, a discussion, a reaction to one suggestion or another – I honestly don’t know where else to start except: no straight staircase, no closed staircase, apparently no TV, pantry off the kitchen, kitchen on the west side... pantry... it all seems to revolve around one or two square meters, while everything else seems almost irrelevant.
Please don’t take offense – I’m happy to help, and I just want to offer you some suggestions with the floor plans to show what’s possible. But I couldn’t say whether you like any of them, can warm up to an idea or not, or anything else.
The fact is: you have more than 8 meters (26 feet) of width available – that allows for a lot, but not everything. You have to face that.
I have a clear example right now of someone who wears size 42 clothing trying to squeeze into a size 38, but it doesn’t work. Instead of going for 42, they stuff themselves like a sausage.
Other than that: it’s your house – build it the way you want!
Regards, Yvonne
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