ᐅ Floor plan over 200 square meters – What do the experts think about it?
Created on: 27 Jan 2013 15:46
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Hello,
we are planning our solid house build and expect to award the contract within the next two weeks.
The plot is secured, and we want to contract mostly. The following work will be done by ourselves:
What do you generally think about the floor plan? We still have small changes planned, such as a corner window in the living room and changing the two large windows in the living area to one big window (otherwise too much light and too little usable wall space).
Regarding the price, we have a turnkey offer of €379,000 (unnegotiated).
This includes:
So truly turnkey.
Since we are meeting again with the possible construction company on Friday (we know them and their good quality), I would like to take your suggestions with me!
we are planning our solid house build and expect to award the contract within the next two weeks.
The plot is secured, and we want to contract mostly. The following work will be done by ourselves:
- Terrace
- Electrical chases throughout the entire house (how many man-hours would you estimate for this)?
- Possibly laying laminate flooring
- Tiling the basement, painting the basement floor surfaces
What do you generally think about the floor plan? We still have small changes planned, such as a corner window in the living room and changing the two large windows in the living area to one big window (otherwise too much light and too little usable wall space).
Regarding the price, we have a turnkey offer of €379,000 (unnegotiated).
This includes:
- Air/water/heat pump including solar module
- Connection to the sewer system
- €18,000 for the staircase system
- Terrace and stairs from terrace to the "courtyard"
- €25/sqm (square meter) for flooring
- Accessible bathrooms (walk-in shower)
- Complete electrical installation (except for light fixtures, of course)
- Walls wallpapered/plastered
So truly turnkey.
Since we are meeting again with the possible construction company on Friday (we know them and their good quality), I would like to take your suggestions with me!
First of all, thank you for the very detailed report/opinion! It’s nice to hear that there’s nothing majorly wrong and that you more or less like it.
Not a garage factory, but a dad who collects vintage cars 😉 That’s why we have five garages—all of which are occupied—so we need two more in the basement.
The terrace measures 3x11m (10x36 feet)—so it’s actually large enough 😉
Yes, we feared that too, but we’re not so keen on light wells and will try to compensate somewhat with a bright entrance door. The porthole has a diameter of 1.2m (4 feet), and we might need to rethink the layout and add another window because otherwise, it could really be too dark. The problem is the bathroom faces the street, so you wouldn’t want to be standing in the spotlight too often 😉
No, we’re building in Hesse—I’m just a Stuttgart fan 🙂 The house will have a KfW70/KfW55 standard, which is sufficient for us.
Radiant floor heating throughout the ground floor and first floor, 80 sockets on both floors and 40 light switches. The heating system will be geothermal (with two deep boreholes), including solar panels for hot water (both included in the price). All windows (except for corner windows and the porthole) have electric aluminum roller shutters (insulated from the inside to reduce rattling).
Regarding the flooring, we have €25 per square meter only for laminate and carpet—not for tiles; that is materials only, excluding installation.
What kind of staircase would you recommend from the ground floor to the first floor? I visited a building supply store today and basically want to move away from an open wooden staircase to a solid one, for example, with granite steps.
Thanks again to everyone who has commented on the project!
karliseppel schrieb:
Do you actually have a garage factory, or what is that residential block garage complex supposed to mean... there are also two parking spaces in the basement. Quite expensive, I must say. Using the basement for that you have to be willing/able to afford.
Not a garage factory, but a dad who collects vintage cars 😉 That’s why we have five garages—all of which are occupied—so we need two more in the basement.
karliseppel schrieb:
The “terrace”: Please furnish it. There are no dimensions—so I can only guess—but with a 1m (3 feet) wide table and chairs in front and behind, I feel it will get cramped quickly. Half a meter more or less really makes a difference.
The terrace measures 3x11m (10x36 feet)—so it’s actually large enough 😉
karliseppel schrieb:
The indoor staircase will remain quite dark, since the rooms are on the outside... you have to accept that. But there are options to bring natural light into the stairwell. Maybe a “light well” could be a solution? The bathroom could be a bit dark, relying only on the porthole window.
Yes, we feared that too, but we’re not so keen on light wells and will try to compensate somewhat with a bright entrance door. The porthole has a diameter of 1.2m (4 feet), and we might need to rethink the layout and add another window because otherwise, it could really be too dark. The problem is the bathroom faces the street, so you wouldn’t want to be standing in the spotlight too often 😉
karliseppel schrieb:
I find the price relatively low—assuming from your name you’re building in southern Germany. What energy standard will the building meet?
No, we’re building in Hesse—I’m just a Stuttgart fan 🙂 The house will have a KfW70/KfW55 standard, which is sufficient for us.
ypg schrieb:
... Chimney costs including installation plus fireplace are extra. What about radiant floor heating? Roller shutters? Have you considered a ventilation system? You will probably have additional electrical costs beyond the standard. (In our turnkey build, the sockets barely covered built-in appliances, not to mention some dimmers here and a junction box there...)
I really like the front of the house and the entrance area... otherwise, €25 per square meter for flooring seems tight.
The showers are not barrier-free at the moment.
Radiant floor heating throughout the ground floor and first floor, 80 sockets on both floors and 40 light switches. The heating system will be geothermal (with two deep boreholes), including solar panels for hot water (both included in the price). All windows (except for corner windows and the porthole) have electric aluminum roller shutters (insulated from the inside to reduce rattling).
Regarding the flooring, we have €25 per square meter only for laminate and carpet—not for tiles; that is materials only, excluding installation.
What kind of staircase would you recommend from the ground floor to the first floor? I visited a building supply store today and basically want to move away from an open wooden staircase to a solid one, for example, with granite steps.
Thanks again to everyone who has commented on the project!
K
karliseppel28 Jan 2013 23:29Hi Vfb-Fan,
So again... please try to actually place a 3m (10 feet) table with chairs on a terrace
AND then try to walk past it. Just take a look... then I’ll be relieved.
Regarding your question about the stairs: if you change the stairs, the entire floor plan changes.
A staircase is the central element in a house that can completely turn everything upside down,
and because of one staircase, entire rooms might no longer work.
If you, for example, place it on the ground floor where your pantry is, you will lose the bathroom upstairs
and only have the windowless interior area for that—or the “gallery”—and then access to Children’s Room 2 will also become difficult.
These townhouses are currently very common, so maybe you’ll find some inspiration in a standard catalog.
It will also be interesting whether the internal garage ends up inside the thermal envelope or not...
You mention an air-to-water heat pump on one hand, then a borehole on the other... so which is it?
Regards
So again... please try to actually place a 3m (10 feet) table with chairs on a terrace
AND then try to walk past it. Just take a look... then I’ll be relieved.
Regarding your question about the stairs: if you change the stairs, the entire floor plan changes.
A staircase is the central element in a house that can completely turn everything upside down,
and because of one staircase, entire rooms might no longer work.
If you, for example, place it on the ground floor where your pantry is, you will lose the bathroom upstairs
and only have the windowless interior area for that—or the “gallery”—and then access to Children’s Room 2 will also become difficult.
These townhouses are currently very common, so maybe you’ll find some inspiration in a standard catalog.
It will also be interesting whether the internal garage ends up inside the thermal envelope or not...
You mention an air-to-water heat pump on one hand, then a borehole on the other... so which is it?
Regards
J
Justifier30 Jan 2013 11:24I can confirm the issue with a 3m (10 feet) terrace – we have one like that as well.
If you sit on both sides with regular garden chairs and a table in between, no one can pass without the others tipping their chair forward or moving very, very close to the table. If possible, I would also make the terrace wider.
Regarding floor coverings: You already mentioned that 25€/m² (about $2.30/sq ft) is only for carpet or laminate. What about tiles? That definitely won’t be enough for anything good quality.
If you sit on both sides with regular garden chairs and a table in between, no one can pass without the others tipping their chair forward or moving very, very close to the table. If possible, I would also make the terrace wider.
Regarding floor coverings: You already mentioned that 25€/m² (about $2.30/sq ft) is only for carpet or laminate. What about tiles? That definitely won’t be enough for anything good quality.
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