ᐅ Single-family house floor plan approximately 190 m² and site placement
Created on: 26 Jun 2022 16:43
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BimBamBaba
Hello everyone,
Until now, I have only been a silent reader. Our project is becoming more real, and I would appreciate including your ideas and suggestions in the planning phase.
Unfortunately, both my grandparents have passed away, and their house is now vacant. Directly adjacent is my parents’ house. In total, the plot measures 722m² (7,774 sq ft) and is owned one-third each by my father and my two aunts. We can buy the aunts’ third and a portion of my father’s land, so we end up with about 470-500m² (5,060-5,382 sq ft).
My father is taking part of his inheritance and straightening out the boundaries. I’ve attached a screenshot from Tim-Online to illustrate how it looks.
No. 21a is my parents’ house, No. 21 will be demolished. Number 69 is a small private road, owned 50% by my father and 50% by a neighbor. We are currently talking to him about a possible building encumbrance (building easement).
I will try to answer all questions below and continue from there 🙂
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 470-500m² (5,060-5,382 sq ft)
Slope: slight incline. Surveying is still pending. Over the length of 24m (79 feet), it drops less than 1m (3 feet). So the private road slopes down toward the street.
Site coverage ratio: unknown, §34
Floor area ratio: unknown, §34
Building envelope, building line and boundary: unknown, §34; we must keep about 6m (20 feet) distance from the road on the south/east side
Edge development: unknown, §34
Parking spaces: we need 2 spaces
Number of floors: 1.5, although I have heard it is sometimes referred to as single-story with attic
Roof shape: gable roof
Architectural style: very traditional, gable roof, brickwork
Orientation: optimized for photovoltaic system
Requirements from the Homeowners
Style, roof shape, building type: classic single-family house, gable roof with brick facade. We tend to build solid masonry but are also open to timber frame.
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 floors
Number and age of occupants: 2 adults (36 & 33 years old), girl 5 years, boy 2 years, and one more child planned
Room requirements on the ground floor:
Utility room, large enough for building technology, a gun safe, and a large chest freezer (we are both hunters)
Guest WC with shower
Office/guest room, should be able to double as a bedroom if we are no longer able to use the stairs
Kitchen with access to the garden and sliding door to the dining room
Living and dining rooms
Room requirements on the upper floor:
3 children’s rooms
Master bedroom
Bathroom with shower
Bathroom with shower and bathtub
Storage in the attic. We currently have a basement and need somewhere to store all the stuff 🙂
Office: family use or home office: we both primarily work from home
Number of overnight guests per year: less than 10
Open or closed architecture: closed
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: classic L- or U-shaped kitchen, no island
Number of dining seats: we eat at the table in the dining room
Fireplace: yes, please
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: could be an option, only for bike and similar storage
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons for preferences: we want to stay “open” to my parents’ property. Their shed for lawnmowers and such will be there.
House design
Who designed the plan:
Do-it-yourself, drawn by a house salesperson
Price estimate by architect/planner: about $460,000
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: For the house including additional costs, kitchen, garden, and photovoltaic system, we have a budget of $600,000
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
We are still deciding whether to go with a prefab house supplier, general contractor, or architect and then contract everything ourselves. My father lives next door and has plenty of time; he could supervise the construction well. He also has some building experience. He built our current house largely himself and later added an extension.
On the other hand, I am a bit concerned nowadays about supply problems, skilled labor shortages, and uncertain prices. Most information right now emphasizes the downsides...
Why is the design the way it is now?
For example:
My wife does not want to give up the two bathrooms on the upper floor, and the office on the ground floor is intended to become our bedroom later. So these rooms are fixed.
For my part, I need a large utility room 🙂
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summed up in 130 characters?
The most important question to me right now is: How would you place the house on the plot? There is a fixed 6m (20 feet) setback on the street side at the bottom. According to the building authority, we could try 5m (16 feet), but I don’t want to risk a delay.
Towards the private road, we could get a building encumbrance (building easement) if the neighbor agrees and build closer. My idea is to build as close as possible to the road and the street, leaving a large garden on the southwest side.
Sorry for the long message. My head is full of ideas and wishes. I need help organizing everything and finding a clear path forward 🙂
I look forward to your tips and advice.
Best regards,
Christoph
Until now, I have only been a silent reader. Our project is becoming more real, and I would appreciate including your ideas and suggestions in the planning phase.
Unfortunately, both my grandparents have passed away, and their house is now vacant. Directly adjacent is my parents’ house. In total, the plot measures 722m² (7,774 sq ft) and is owned one-third each by my father and my two aunts. We can buy the aunts’ third and a portion of my father’s land, so we end up with about 470-500m² (5,060-5,382 sq ft).
My father is taking part of his inheritance and straightening out the boundaries. I’ve attached a screenshot from Tim-Online to illustrate how it looks.
No. 21a is my parents’ house, No. 21 will be demolished. Number 69 is a small private road, owned 50% by my father and 50% by a neighbor. We are currently talking to him about a possible building encumbrance (building easement).
I will try to answer all questions below and continue from there 🙂
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 470-500m² (5,060-5,382 sq ft)
Slope: slight incline. Surveying is still pending. Over the length of 24m (79 feet), it drops less than 1m (3 feet). So the private road slopes down toward the street.
Site coverage ratio: unknown, §34
Floor area ratio: unknown, §34
Building envelope, building line and boundary: unknown, §34; we must keep about 6m (20 feet) distance from the road on the south/east side
Edge development: unknown, §34
Parking spaces: we need 2 spaces
Number of floors: 1.5, although I have heard it is sometimes referred to as single-story with attic
Roof shape: gable roof
Architectural style: very traditional, gable roof, brickwork
Orientation: optimized for photovoltaic system
Requirements from the Homeowners
Style, roof shape, building type: classic single-family house, gable roof with brick facade. We tend to build solid masonry but are also open to timber frame.
Basement, floors: no basement, 1.5 floors
Number and age of occupants: 2 adults (36 & 33 years old), girl 5 years, boy 2 years, and one more child planned
Room requirements on the ground floor:
Utility room, large enough for building technology, a gun safe, and a large chest freezer (we are both hunters)
Guest WC with shower
Office/guest room, should be able to double as a bedroom if we are no longer able to use the stairs
Kitchen with access to the garden and sliding door to the dining room
Living and dining rooms
Room requirements on the upper floor:
3 children’s rooms
Master bedroom
Bathroom with shower
Bathroom with shower and bathtub
Storage in the attic. We currently have a basement and need somewhere to store all the stuff 🙂
Office: family use or home office: we both primarily work from home
Number of overnight guests per year: less than 10
Open or closed architecture: closed
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: classic L- or U-shaped kitchen, no island
Number of dining seats: we eat at the table in the dining room
Fireplace: yes, please
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: could be an option, only for bike and similar storage
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons for preferences: we want to stay “open” to my parents’ property. Their shed for lawnmowers and such will be there.
House design
Who designed the plan:
Do-it-yourself, drawn by a house salesperson
Price estimate by architect/planner: about $460,000
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: For the house including additional costs, kitchen, garden, and photovoltaic system, we have a budget of $600,000
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
We are still deciding whether to go with a prefab house supplier, general contractor, or architect and then contract everything ourselves. My father lives next door and has plenty of time; he could supervise the construction well. He also has some building experience. He built our current house largely himself and later added an extension.
On the other hand, I am a bit concerned nowadays about supply problems, skilled labor shortages, and uncertain prices. Most information right now emphasizes the downsides...
Why is the design the way it is now?
For example:
My wife does not want to give up the two bathrooms on the upper floor, and the office on the ground floor is intended to become our bedroom later. So these rooms are fixed.
For my part, I need a large utility room 🙂
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summed up in 130 characters?
The most important question to me right now is: How would you place the house on the plot? There is a fixed 6m (20 feet) setback on the street side at the bottom. According to the building authority, we could try 5m (16 feet), but I don’t want to risk a delay.
Towards the private road, we could get a building encumbrance (building easement) if the neighbor agrees and build closer. My idea is to build as close as possible to the road and the street, leaving a large garden on the southwest side.
Sorry for the long message. My head is full of ideas and wishes. I need help organizing everything and finding a clear path forward 🙂
I look forward to your tips and advice.
Best regards,
Christoph
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BimBamBaba27 Jun 2022 10:21ypg schrieb:
Regarding the design: The angled table shows that placing it straight with seating might make the corner seating area quite tight. But of course, it can be done that way.
A technician will also need access to the hot water storage tank with their plumbing tools (or whatever they use).
You don’t really have any storage space, that’s clear. Except under the stairs. For suitcases and decorations, you’ll have to use the attic.
Kitchen: just try a standard island, 90cm (35 inches) deep so nothing splashes behind it, and draw it in. But then the placeholder seating spots won’t fit, right? The kitchen shown is the version the house seller drew. It doesn’t match our planning yet. We have another plan that is a bit larger.
However, I am not completely happy with the bathroom situation on the upper floor.
Most of the “stuff” unfortunately needs to be stored warm and dry, about 90%. Bean bags, sleeping bags, thick pants, etc.
shenja schrieb:
At our place, the plot had to be divided into equal parts right from the start. So, having one small and one large plot was not allowed.I also think a floor plan discussion is premature. First, clarify the division and determine the buildable area. A preliminary building inquiry might be useful.BimBamBaba schrieb:
my father will get the other 242sqm (2601 sq ft). It seems to me that according to Section 34 the plot size for the existing house is too small.
I don’t see it that way yet and would also recommend submitting a preliminary building inquiry.
During verbal phone calls without plans, facts are easily overlooked, which the building authority may then approve informally, assuming that the facts have already been thoroughly examined and comply with regulations.
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BimBamBaba27 Jun 2022 11:09ypg schrieb:
It seems to me that, according to Plot 34, the lot for the existing house is too small.
I don’t see it that way yet and would also recommend submitting a preliminary building inquiry.
When discussing things verbally over the phone without plans, facts are easily overlooked, which the building authority then approves provisionally, assuming that the facts have already been examined and are compliant. Hello,
Thank you for your reply. I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
My father currently owns plots 1051 and 1114. At that time, creating a separate plot was missed, which is now being corrected.
He will also receive a partial area from plot 1100, so his property will be quite large.
Is that what you meant?
Regards
BimBamBaba schrieb:
Thank you for your response, but I don’t quite understand what you mean by that. Maybe you should consider that we do not know the situation.
If I ask how large the plot will be and you say your father’s plot is something like 200-something, then we have to take that at face value here.
Accordingly, we base our answers on that. Without accurate or complete facts, we cannot offer you any advice.
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BimBamBaba27 Jun 2022 11:27ypg schrieb:
Maybe you should consider that we don’t know the situation.
If I ask how large the plot will be, and you say that your father’s plot is 200-something, then we have to take that as true here.
Accordingly, we base our answers on this. Without correct or complete facts, we can’t advise you properly. Sorry, that’s why I corrected myself.
For me, that’s obviously a given, but you couldn’t have known that.
With this new information, your concerns should be resolved, right?