ᐅ Floor plan of a 1.5-story house with a captain’s gable, covering just under 200 square meters
Created on: 18 Jul 2021 18:13
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blubbernase
hi, we have been going back and forth with the work and wanted to get your opinion
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 673 m² (7239 ft²)
Slope: 3.5% incline from one side to the other
Floor area ratio: 0.2 (Floor area ratio I: 134.6 m² (1450 ft²), Floor area ratio II: 201.9 m² (2172 ft²))
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see picture (the side lines mark the property borders)
Edge development: new residential area, detached houses
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: max 1 full story
Roof type: gable roof
Architectural style: captain’s house
Orientation: ridge runs northwest to southeast
Maximum heights/limits: eaves height 4.5 m (15 ft), ridge height 9 m (30 ft), reference point in development plan nearly 1 meter (3 ft) above plot level, brick facing required, dormers allowed on only 50% of the eaves length
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: gable roof
Basement, stories: partial unheated basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 34 m, 33 f, 3 m, 4 f + 1 planned
Space needs on the ground floor: 1 office, 1 office/guest room, kitchen with dining area, living room, bathroom with shower, entry hall
Space needs on the upper floor: 1 bedroom, 3 children's rooms, 1 full bathroom, 1 toilet with washer/dryer
Office: 100% home office
Overnight guests per year: 1 per month, mother-in-law
Conservative or modern construction: practical?
Kitchen: kitchen with dining area, table to be inside the kitchen
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage for one car and bicycles
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe later
House Design
Ground floor: floor area 107.5 m² (1156 ft²) (including stairs)
Upper floor: floor area 101.2 m² (1090 ft²) (including stairs)
Basement: approx. 70 m² (753 ft²)
Designer: designed by ourselves using Sweet Home 3D
Basically, we based the exterior dimensions on the Whiteline promotional house "Kiefernallee" from Gussek Haus and extended it about 50 cm (20 inches) longer on the left side of the gable. We have been working with Gussek Haus for a while. Initially, we had a floor plan with 4 gables and a longer house, but we discarded it due to complexity. The upper-floor layout is still based on that promotional house, but the ground floor has changed quite a bit.
What do you particularly like? When entering the house, you’re not immediately in the living room.
Price estimate according to the architect/planner: base house approx. 450,000 € (including move-in ready) + 60,000 €
Personal price limit for the house including basement: 550,000 € + additional costs and fittings
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump with indoor unit
If you had to give up something, which details/extensions?
- You could give up: basically nothing 😀
- You could not give up: a few extra square meters here and there
Why did the design turn out this way?
For example: it fits well on the plot, although the terrace is quite small.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Will the long hallway annoy us despite being reasonably wide?
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 673 m² (7239 ft²)
Slope: 3.5% incline from one side to the other
Floor area ratio: 0.2 (Floor area ratio I: 134.6 m² (1450 ft²), Floor area ratio II: 201.9 m² (2172 ft²))
Building envelope, building line and boundary: see picture (the side lines mark the property borders)
Edge development: new residential area, detached houses
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: max 1 full story
Roof type: gable roof
Architectural style: captain’s house
Orientation: ridge runs northwest to southeast
Maximum heights/limits: eaves height 4.5 m (15 ft), ridge height 9 m (30 ft), reference point in development plan nearly 1 meter (3 ft) above plot level, brick facing required, dormers allowed on only 50% of the eaves length
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: gable roof
Basement, stories: partial unheated basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 34 m, 33 f, 3 m, 4 f + 1 planned
Space needs on the ground floor: 1 office, 1 office/guest room, kitchen with dining area, living room, bathroom with shower, entry hall
Space needs on the upper floor: 1 bedroom, 3 children's rooms, 1 full bathroom, 1 toilet with washer/dryer
Office: 100% home office
Overnight guests per year: 1 per month, mother-in-law
Conservative or modern construction: practical?
Kitchen: kitchen with dining area, table to be inside the kitchen
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage for one car and bicycles
Utility garden, greenhouse: maybe later
House Design
Ground floor: floor area 107.5 m² (1156 ft²) (including stairs)
Upper floor: floor area 101.2 m² (1090 ft²) (including stairs)
Basement: approx. 70 m² (753 ft²)
Designer: designed by ourselves using Sweet Home 3D
Basically, we based the exterior dimensions on the Whiteline promotional house "Kiefernallee" from Gussek Haus and extended it about 50 cm (20 inches) longer on the left side of the gable. We have been working with Gussek Haus for a while. Initially, we had a floor plan with 4 gables and a longer house, but we discarded it due to complexity. The upper-floor layout is still based on that promotional house, but the ground floor has changed quite a bit.
What do you particularly like? When entering the house, you’re not immediately in the living room.
Price estimate according to the architect/planner: base house approx. 450,000 € (including move-in ready) + 60,000 €
Personal price limit for the house including basement: 550,000 € + additional costs and fittings
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump with indoor unit
If you had to give up something, which details/extensions?
- You could give up: basically nothing 😀
- You could not give up: a few extra square meters here and there
Why did the design turn out this way?
For example: it fits well on the plot, although the terrace is quite small.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Will the long hallway annoy us despite being reasonably wide?
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blubbernase1 Dec 2021 02:18@ypg Thanks for the food for thought.
We’ve actually already considered your suggestion and an alternative, and even made an initial sketch—back then we included the attic (parents’ room + office at the top floor, kids on the upper floor, and the ground floor as you suggested with a utility room and no basement). After many discussions and visualizations, we decided against it.
Your assumptions are unfortunately not entirely correct, but I understand your basic argument. In fact, "Pinterest" has very little to do with our approach. Of course, we received the usual list of “Pinterest wishes” often suggested during building projects, but we dismissed them again.
Well, I can say very clearly for us that we were not inspired by an IKEA catalog but rather spent a long time reflecting on our current lifestyle. For example, a piano clearly belongs in our living-dining area. Retreat spaces should be the individual rooms—we have plenty of those, one for each person. That’s how we live and love it today—why should we change that now? We love our book collection; it’s no coincidence we have hundreds of books. They should be visible.
Many of the tips and suggestions on this forum we have already taken into account and implemented directly. https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-1-5-geschossiges-haus-mit-kapitaensgiebel-auf-knapp-200m.39863/post-511902 Your list here, for example, contains really good advice.
It’s fine that our basic concept doesn’t fit many people—it has to work for us. For example, the staircase: having it in the entrance area is an absolute no-go for us—yet 90% of all floor plans are like that and many people like it. Or this open entrance area where you can basically see the entire ground floor—no thanks! Floor-to-ceiling windows: we don’t have those, we find them impractical and unattractive.
As I said, I understand where all this comes from—but so far, no single point in this thread has convinced me that the basic layout needs to be changed, and not just because "I don’t know it, so I don’t want it," but because these points have already been discussed and we came to a different conclusion. Of course, we have changed some parts.
We’re going to revisit the facade design now. I’ll post it here again.
We’ve actually already considered your suggestion and an alternative, and even made an initial sketch—back then we included the attic (parents’ room + office at the top floor, kids on the upper floor, and the ground floor as you suggested with a utility room and no basement). After many discussions and visualizations, we decided against it.
Your assumptions are unfortunately not entirely correct, but I understand your basic argument. In fact, "Pinterest" has very little to do with our approach. Of course, we received the usual list of “Pinterest wishes” often suggested during building projects, but we dismissed them again.
ypg schrieb:
And here we come to the question: what kind of house does one actually want? Something like Pinterest, which mostly shows staged rooms (all advertising for lifestyle or IKEA), or something for yourself as an individual family?!
Well, I can say very clearly for us that we were not inspired by an IKEA catalog but rather spent a long time reflecting on our current lifestyle. For example, a piano clearly belongs in our living-dining area. Retreat spaces should be the individual rooms—we have plenty of those, one for each person. That’s how we live and love it today—why should we change that now? We love our book collection; it’s no coincidence we have hundreds of books. They should be visible.
Many of the tips and suggestions on this forum we have already taken into account and implemented directly. https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-1-5-geschossiges-haus-mit-kapitaensgiebel-auf-knapp-200m.39863/post-511902 Your list here, for example, contains really good advice.
It’s fine that our basic concept doesn’t fit many people—it has to work for us. For example, the staircase: having it in the entrance area is an absolute no-go for us—yet 90% of all floor plans are like that and many people like it. Or this open entrance area where you can basically see the entire ground floor—no thanks! Floor-to-ceiling windows: we don’t have those, we find them impractical and unattractive.
ypg schrieb:I simply don’t see why these should be mutually exclusive. Why shouldn’t I optimize and implement what currently brings me joy? And of course, I’m excited about that—I may just not be very good at expressing it.
Is there excitement about finally realizing the big dream, or do people just want to bring their tiny rooms and what they are used to from their rented average places 500 km away for the necessary move?
As I said, I understand where all this comes from—but so far, no single point in this thread has convinced me that the basic layout needs to be changed, and not just because "I don’t know it, so I don’t want it," but because these points have already been discussed and we came to a different conclusion. Of course, we have changed some parts.
We’re going to revisit the facade design now. I’ll post it here again.
blubbernase schrieb:
It’s understandable that our basic concept doesn’t suit everyone,However, given the striking similarity between the original design in the opening post and the subsequent versions up to the most recent one, it is very hard to believe that only a basic concept is to blame. The suspicion of a “tracing planner” seems much more likely (no offense intended, it’s just a feeling that can’t be suppressed).https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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blubbernase6 Jan 2022 14:49*dusted off* *phew*
So, we have a new architect on board now, and things are finally moving forward. We’ve received a lot of input.
Here was the last iteration that was presented
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-1-5-geschossiges-haus-mit-kapitaensgiebel-auf-knapp-200m.39863/post-541921
We’re not 100% done with the latest draft yet; the final touches are still missing, especially the window sizes and positions aren’t finalized, but I feel mentally ready to share the development here. Basically, it still looks very similar to the initial and middle drawings, but it feels improved. Above all, there is now much more flexibility.
Ground Floor:
- Changes: The gable is now 56cm (22 inches) wider and therefore symmetrical again. Reasons: larger living room, more flexible layout for the children’s room upstairs
- Home office is no longer facing the street. This compromise hurts the most
- Guest bathroom moves to the front. Not ideal either, but I think 2 meters (6.5 feet) from the front door is enough to avoid walking through dirt to get to the bathroom
- No hallway walls
- Storage/pantry room
- Since the basement is fully insulated now, the basement door moves downwards
- Basement will have a separate entrance to serve as a “proper” mudroom (plan not ready yet)
- Sliding door upstairs at the top of the stairs
Bare plan
We’ve learned that it doesn’t always have to be fixed walls. For example, the entrance area could now be spatially and acoustically separated with floor-to-ceiling steel/wood/glass/textile elements. The sliding door upstairs at the stairs can be closed if it gets noisy downstairs in the living room. Or you can use a textile element somewhere in between. The two office rooms could also be reconnected later if desired...
Upper Floor:
There have been some changes here as well, not many but a few. Thanks to the wider gable, we have a bit more room to work with. The shower in the children’s bathroom now seems well placed, but we’re still not sure if it will actually be included.
Alternatively, possibly providing more storage space in the long term
As mentioned, it’s not final yet. We have another appointment to finalize everything. But I believe we’re finally on a better path.
So, we have a new architect on board now, and things are finally moving forward. We’ve received a lot of input.
Here was the last iteration that was presented
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-1-5-geschossiges-haus-mit-kapitaensgiebel-auf-knapp-200m.39863/post-541921
We’re not 100% done with the latest draft yet; the final touches are still missing, especially the window sizes and positions aren’t finalized, but I feel mentally ready to share the development here. Basically, it still looks very similar to the initial and middle drawings, but it feels improved. Above all, there is now much more flexibility.
Ground Floor:
- Changes: The gable is now 56cm (22 inches) wider and therefore symmetrical again. Reasons: larger living room, more flexible layout for the children’s room upstairs
- Home office is no longer facing the street. This compromise hurts the most
- Guest bathroom moves to the front. Not ideal either, but I think 2 meters (6.5 feet) from the front door is enough to avoid walking through dirt to get to the bathroom
- No hallway walls
- Storage/pantry room
- Since the basement is fully insulated now, the basement door moves downwards
- Basement will have a separate entrance to serve as a “proper” mudroom (plan not ready yet)
- Sliding door upstairs at the top of the stairs
Bare plan
We’ve learned that it doesn’t always have to be fixed walls. For example, the entrance area could now be spatially and acoustically separated with floor-to-ceiling steel/wood/glass/textile elements. The sliding door upstairs at the stairs can be closed if it gets noisy downstairs in the living room. Or you can use a textile element somewhere in between. The two office rooms could also be reconnected later if desired...
Upper Floor:
There have been some changes here as well, not many but a few. Thanks to the wider gable, we have a bit more room to work with. The shower in the children’s bathroom now seems well placed, but we’re still not sure if it will actually be included.
Alternatively, possibly providing more storage space in the long term
As mentioned, it’s not final yet. We have another appointment to finalize everything. But I believe we’re finally on a better path.
blubbernase schrieb:
But I believe we are finally on a better track. Let's hope for the best, dear reader ;-)
blubbernase schrieb:
The gable is now 56 cm (22 inches) wider. Don’t forget: if you don’t think in octameters, you end up with sloppy pockets...
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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blubbernase6 Jan 2022 21:1411ant schrieb:
Don’t forget: if you don’t think in octameters, you’ll end up with botched pockets... Funny that this term only appears here in this forum 🙂 Do you have a copyright on it?Regarding the measurements: We are building wood stud walls – so does the size for bricks even matter?
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Myrna_Loy6 Jan 2022 21:26Sorry, but to me the ground floor looks like the planner gave up out of frustration. The living-dining area is a nightmare to furnish. It’s all open yet somehow lacks flow and connection. And the fireplace right in the middle is very confusing.
Edit: The fireplace is actually a freestanding pantry? Oh man,... the whole thing looks like a child trying to rebuild the company headquarters with Lego.
Edit: The fireplace is actually a freestanding pantry? Oh man,... the whole thing looks like a child trying to rebuild the company headquarters with Lego.
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