ᐅ Floor plan of a detached single-family house approximately 200 m² with two separate living units
Created on: 23 Feb 2023 23:30
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ThomasMagmar
Preliminary note: This is not a specific building project, but it is something that may happen in the future if possible. Many of my friends have recently built houses and are currently in the process, but for myself it will still take some time. However, since I am quite interested in the subject and have skills in 3D design, I have started to think about how my "dream house" should look. I am fully aware that the floor plan may still change due to the location.
Therefore, I don’t need comments about how planning like this in advance doesn’t make sense. My goal is to see what is roughly possible and reasonable or not, and to gain more experience.
Development plan / restrictions Not available
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: Modern, gable roof, future-oriented
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 floors + attic area for storage
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults + 2 children
Space requirement on ground floor and upper floor: Approximately 90m² (970 sq ft) each
Office: Family use or home office? Yes
Occasional guests per year: Possible but not planned
Open or closed architecture: Rather closed
Conservative or modern construction: Mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Partly, no
Number of dining seats: 2 with couch ^^
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Probably
Balcony, roof terrace: Yes, yes
Garage, carport: Garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: Possibly garden shed
If possible, the garden should face south, among other reasons because photovoltaics will be used.
House design
Who planned it: Do-it-yourself with Inventor!
What do you especially like: The use of the house for several life phases
What do you dislike? Why? More difficult / expensive utility connections, presumed costs ^^
Price estimate according to architect / planner: Own estimate 600k without land
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: Currently unclear
Preferred heating technology: Air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up certain details / expansions
- Can give up: Large utility room, changing room
- Cannot give up: Terrace
Why did the design turn out the way it is? For example:
I tried to create a floor plan that keeps the house practical for different stages of life. Both the ground floor and the upper floor can be used as independent apartments with minor modifications, for example when the children are not yet there, when they move out, or if the marriage should break down. Depending on the situation, either one floor or both can be rented out. The garage and utility room remain accessible to both floors. In addition, features such as photovoltaics, KNX (home automation system), empty conduits etc. should prepare the house for the future.
Therefore, I don’t need comments about how planning like this in advance doesn’t make sense. My goal is to see what is roughly possible and reasonable or not, and to gain more experience.
Development plan / restrictions Not available
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: Modern, gable roof, future-oriented
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 floors + attic area for storage
Number of occupants, age: 2 adults + 2 children
Space requirement on ground floor and upper floor: Approximately 90m² (970 sq ft) each
Office: Family use or home office? Yes
Occasional guests per year: Possible but not planned
Open or closed architecture: Rather closed
Conservative or modern construction: Mixed
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Partly, no
Number of dining seats: 2 with couch ^^
Fireplace: No
Music / stereo wall: Probably
Balcony, roof terrace: Yes, yes
Garage, carport: Garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: Possibly garden shed
If possible, the garden should face south, among other reasons because photovoltaics will be used.
House design
Who planned it: Do-it-yourself with Inventor!
What do you especially like: The use of the house for several life phases
What do you dislike? Why? More difficult / expensive utility connections, presumed costs ^^
Price estimate according to architect / planner: Own estimate 600k without land
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: Currently unclear
Preferred heating technology: Air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up certain details / expansions
- Can give up: Large utility room, changing room
- Cannot give up: Terrace
Why did the design turn out the way it is? For example:
I tried to create a floor plan that keeps the house practical for different stages of life. Both the ground floor and the upper floor can be used as independent apartments with minor modifications, for example when the children are not yet there, when they move out, or if the marriage should break down. Depending on the situation, either one floor or both can be rented out. The garage and utility room remain accessible to both floors. In addition, features such as photovoltaics, KNX (home automation system), empty conduits etc. should prepare the house for the future.
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ThomasMagmar24 Feb 2023 15:08Tolentino schrieb:
The noise issue with sliding doors isn’t caused by the door panel itself. It’s because, in most systems, you don’t get any sealing pressure of the door against the frame. So the door panel essentially floats freely within the track system, resting only on the rollers, and air (and therefore sound) can pass around it all the way. Not to mention structure-borne noise...
There are special systems designed for this, but they are usually at least four times more expensive. I also doubt that such systems exist for applications like room dividers.
Perhaps a heavy theater curtain might even absorb more sound than a sliding door. I’ve only read reports (from suppliers) online stating that modern sliding doors are now comparable to hinged doors in terms of sound insulation. But of course, these could be empty claims from the manufacturers. As I mentioned, I checked out the Pocket Kit from Knauf myself.
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ThomasMagmar24 Feb 2023 15:16SoL schrieb:
The residential units are not considered separate because the ground floor unit does not have its own bathroom; instead, the bathroom is accessed from the shared corridor. Each door from the ground floor corridor into the unit would have to be an apartment door, not just a regular interior door.
You don’t see it because you don’t have any knowledge of the subject and haven’t studied it.
That’s not necessarily a bad thing—I have no clue about paragliding, so I simply don’t do it. Or if I want to try, I hire an instructor.
Applied to residential buildings and floor plans, the instructor is an architect. And they create functional floor plans. That’s what they studied. I don’t disagree with you, although I don’t understand the reasoning behind that definition. If the stairwell were outside the building, would the ground floor still not be considered a separate unit, or would the construction not be allowed as such?
That’s exactly why I’m here—to gather experience. The more issues that can be addressed and improved beforehand, the better. And it’s not like I’m jumping straight into a paraglider; I’m starting with a simulation.
ThomasMagmar schrieb:
The height of ingratitude is not even being able to quote properly and making false accusations.Nonsense, see attachment.ThomasMagmar schrieb:
I can give you a tip as well. If you think you are funny, no, you are not.At least I'm always humorous—only until the helping hand gets bitten. And goodbye!https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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ThomasMagmar24 Feb 2023 15:35mayglow schrieb:
It’s mainly because no one has really made counterproposals so far. The problem seems to be that it doesn’t appear as if you’re open to something completely different, while at the same time the current floor plan is not seen as salvageable 🙂 It’s also a question of how much fun the hobbyists here have in planning a house that probably will never be built anyway, since you are just collecting ideas for the future.
Roughly speaking: linking is not allowed here, but you can google, for example, “Haas sustainable modification options,” and there you’ll find an example at the bottom of a single-family house conversion into two apartments that is much better thought out. Yes, the kitchen is open, yes, there is currently only one office, but overall it still feels like a much more solid foundation. That’s why the suggestion here was to basically “start from scratch, create a room program” aka “2 children’s bedrooms, 2 offices (question might be how large they actually need to be), closed kitchen, and so on,” or alternatively “take a look at existing floor plans.” I am definitely open to changes, but they should make sense to me. And if the only feedback is that something is supposedly bad, that doesn’t offer any real potential for improvement. Everyone’s time is valuable, so I appreciate every comment, but it should be constructive criticism.
Thank you for the tip; I have looked at the design, but there are many aspects I don’t like, including the absence of a utility room, among other things.
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ThomasMagmar24 Feb 2023 15:4211ant schrieb:
Nonsense, see attachment.
I’m only ever amused for as long as the helping hand isn’t bitten. And goodbye! - Then show me a comment from @SoL in between. This was a reply to his last comment.
- So far, I haven’t really received any help from you; all your comments were just bashing or making fun of me with others. If you like to criticize others so much, you should also be able to accept some criticism yourself.
ThomasMagmar schrieb:
It’s not about what criticism you make, but how you present it. For example, you can describe something as “unsuitable/inappropriate” or as “sh...” Even though I appreciate and am grateful for the feedback, as I said, I get the feeling that some were just aiming to put me down. You’re probably right. But here, some posts are polite and kind, trying to bring you closer to reality, yet you remain resistant. You shouldn’t be surprised if eventually people start wondering whether...
ThomasMagmar schrieb:
Number of people, age: 2 adults + 2 children ... you might be one of the children and your parents don’t know what you are doing.
ThomasMagmar schrieb:
The biggest criticism I received was regarding the partition wall in the bedroom and the “children’s bathroom.” On both points, I can understand the concerns and negative aspects. It’s simply the highlight of the whole design that can’t be taken seriously here. It may be harsh, but if someone suggests installing a sliding door above a double bed, I seriously question their common sense.
ThomasMagmar schrieb:
That’s exactly why I’m here—to gather experience. The more issues that can be fixed or improved in advance, the better. And it’s not as if I’m immediately going paragliding; I’m just trying out the simulation. Reading or asking questions doesn’t equate to gaining experience, only knowledge. Experience comes from practical application.
But knowledge is also not gained when a layperson tells the expert how things are, without listening to or trusting the expert.
If you want to paraglide, you need to study the theory first. Only then do you go to the training field.
What you’re doing here is dreaming about the sport, then trying to tell the experienced pilot on the field why he should ignore safety precautions and change things according to your opinion. Right before takeoff, you argue why your naive view is better.
And no, it’s not bashing to directly say that something is ill-conceived, doesn’t work, or is poorly executed.