ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz21 Aug 2017 21:1811ant schrieb:
A clear sign that it’s time to take a break for now.There won’t be much time left. On Thursday, we have another appointment. Then, the current draft will be presented to us in detail, including the cost calculation. We still have several points regarding the windows to discuss.
For example, removing the two floor-to-ceiling windows to the left of the front door. Upstairs on the left side, I can also imagine two shallow, wide windows. And the situation in the living room needs to be reconsidered carefully. The sliding door should be fixed. I’m still thinking about the windows behind the sofa and to the right of the dining table. In my view, there are too many windows, leaving little space for furniture and pictures.
Of course, on Thursday, we can also raise a request regarding the roof. But we probably shouldn’t wait another two weeks... as the period of availability interest rates is approaching relentlessly. The demolition of the old building already starts on Monday.
A reason to summarize the current options:
1) Build as last planned – with a hip roof – at whatever pitch…
Advantage: My wife likes it, and for me, it’s also a good solution. Of course, it’s not exactly a showstopper. From my perspective, the rear view doesn’t really work well with the hip roof…
2) Redesign everything.
A theoretical option that neither of us feels like doing, especially not the architect.
3) Implement the design plan with a flat roof as shown in #267.
Advantage: A compromise my wife would agree to. Whether I actually like it better than the hip roof solution… I don’t know.
What I find so appealing about the Bauhaus-style house posted today doesn’t really come through in our design. For example, the windows planned at the front don’t seem to work well with roller shutters, in my opinion. The windows don’t fit the Bauhaus style at all. Or do they?
Disadvantage:
I still have occasional doubts in my mind, thinking that it might be better to have a pitched roof rather than a flat one, to avoid moisture problems later on.
4) If you think it’s possible to just add a shed roof to the latest draft, that could be an option. However, convincing my wife of the benefits will be difficult.
Any other options?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
3) Implement design planning with a flat roof as shown in #267
Advantage: A compromise my wife would agree to. Whether I actually prefer it over the hip roof solution... I’m not sure. Definitely, yes. You’re the ones living in it, not me. So go with #267. I can imagine it both with a flat roof and with a hip roof. And as shown in the views https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissentwurf-für-220m-Einfamilienhaus.24702/page-45#post-216060, even with a mono-pitched roof set behind the parapet, which solves the usual structural concerns related to flat roofs. Maybe with the parapet having no overhang (like the house on the right with the external blinds), so the height is only visible from the garden side, where the terrace in front of the utility room is located (similar to the roof overhang on the house on the left). So option 3 A, B, or C.
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R.Hotzenplotz21 Aug 2017 21:36What do you actually think of the house we're currently renting? You specifically requested another photo without the wall... I’m curious to hear your opinion on it.
Option 3 with a hipped roof is basically the same as option 1. #265
11ant schrieb:
So option 3 A, B, or C.
Option 3 with a hipped roof is basically the same as option 1. #265
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
What do you actually think of the house we’re currently renting? I would prefer it without the wall facing the street and with a shed roof instead of the ugly, oppressive flat roof. I assume the basic shape is square, with an L-shape at the bottom where only the stairwell is recessed for the upper floor?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Option 3 with a hipped roof is basically the same as option 1. #265 Yes, that’s fine, although I would prefer it with less roof overhang. Once the basement stairs are finalized, the floor plan 265 is also approved.
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R.Hotzenplotz21 Aug 2017 22:0411ant schrieb:
I would prefer it without the wall facing the street and with a mono-pitched roof instead of that ugly, oppressive flat roof. I assume the basic shape is square, with an L shape at the bottom where only the staircase is recessed for the upper floor?Correct. We wonder every day how anyone can build a house like that, then have the landlord and themselves go down to the basement to sleep from the first floor and the attic? A mystery... it can’t be the garden, as it’s a tiny garden bordered by the road leaving the town, offering little recreational value. I share the idea about the mono-pitched roof.
11ant schrieb:
Yes, it’s okay, although I would prefer less overhang. Once the basement stairs are sorted, the 265 floor plan is approved.That will work. Either way. In the worst case, the passage from the kitchen to the dining area just shifts from left to right next to the steel beam. There is plenty of space in the kitchen anyway.
So now we really have a comfortable starting point for the final decisions. Three roof types, all of which would fit... now just the windows and electrical plan to finalize (I would prefer to take the electrical work out of the general contractor’s contract to hire a trusted electrician myself), the exterior landscaping, and small details in the floor plan that we still need to clarify, e.g., the dressing room that is only 1m (3.3 feet) wide. We saw a 1.3m (4.3 feet) wide dressing room at Luxhaus’s show home, with two wardrobes left and right like ours. That fits perfectly. Maybe we’ll take another 15–20cm (6–8 inches) from the bedroom if that works.
I’ve taken many notes on the windows. I don’t want to go into all the details now but will show it later when it’s finished. We’re planning to include several high-placed, shallow, elongated windows in the kitchen, utility room, children’s bathroom, child’s bedroom 1, bathroom, and office.
Where I would gladly welcome some input from the forum, since I can’t come to a decision, is the living and dining area. Currently, there’s a sliding door, a window behind the sofa, and a window beside the dining table. I think that’s one window too many. I prefer more furniture options and wall space for hanging pictures, etc. Thoughts on this:
1) Remove the window behind the sofa and shift the sliding door slightly towards the sofa?
2) Remove the window next to the dining table? Subjectively, that would give more freedom for furniture and picture hanging than the freed-up wall behind the sofa. However, that’s where the sun would come in.
3) If you decide to keep both windows, another idea would be to design the window next to the dining table identically to the corner window in the kitchen.
Does anyone have good ideas on this? I think many arguments favor removing the window behind the sofa and either keeping the sliding door where it is or shifting it slightly toward the sofa. Plenty of light in the dining area is nice; the light behind the sofa, where TV watching happens about 90% of the time, is less important... Of course, furniture placement behind the sofa is less than ideal with a window there... Maybe someone has completely new ideas.
In the office, there’s also the consideration to install a panoramic window instead of the standard window. If the window behind the sofa disappears, you’re basically free to do this without needing to match two identical windows.
Do yourself a favor and keep these windows exactly as designed. The amount of natural light is not excessive. To allow for tilt ventilation, you need the window in the office and the patio door in the dining area to be operable. For reasons of symmetry, keep both the same width and divided in the center. All their positions are also correct as shown in 265. Add an external venetian blind to the panoramic window.
The indicated windows on the upper floor are also just right*. I would only suggest making the two windows in Child 1’s room the same size, placing them both at a sill height of 1 meter (3 ft 3 in), including the one above the desk.
I like the idea of moving the partition wall between the dressing room and bedroom by about 25 cm (10 inches), and I would add a door there to avoid disturbing someone sleeping in the bedroom when accessing the dressing room.
*) one could even say: exemplary coordination, also with their counterparts on the ground floor on the same facade
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
The indicated windows on the upper floor are also just right*. I would only suggest making the two windows in Child 1’s room the same size, placing them both at a sill height of 1 meter (3 ft 3 in), including the one above the desk.
I like the idea of moving the partition wall between the dressing room and bedroom by about 25 cm (10 inches), and I would add a door there to avoid disturbing someone sleeping in the bedroom when accessing the dressing room.
*) one could even say: exemplary coordination, also with their counterparts on the ground floor on the same facade
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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