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Chrisi190621 Jun 2019 22:02Hello everyone,
We reserved a plot of land 8 weeks ago and started working on the floor plan. After a few days, we found an initial design that we generally like. Not everything is exactly how we imagine it yet, but I think we are on the right track.
Here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8,813 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100), so 0.5? -> This only applies to auxiliary buildings, right?
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.6
2 full floors
Building envelope, building line and boundary: approx. 13m x 25m (after southeast enough space), see drawing
Minimum garage distance from the street is 5m (16 ft)
Roof type: gable, hip roof
Homeowners’ Requirements
We would like a large bungalow with a hip roof, which fits the development plan. We plan to build without a basement but want a storage room on the property. The roof structure should allow for future expansion. The attic shall be used for storage initially and later as a playroom for the children (storing a slot car track, table football, etc.). We are 4 persons: child 1 is 6 months old, child 2 is 2.5 years old, my wife (35) and I (37). Our family planning is complete. One of the rooms must serve as an office since I work from home. My wife shares the office with me, so it can be a bit larger. We prioritize a single-level design and sufficiently large rooms.
Space requirements: approx. 140m² (1,507 sq ft) net living space excluding circulation and utility room; (gross about 175m² (1,883 sq ft))
Office: for family use and home office
1 overnight guest per year, so no guest room needed
open floor plan
open kitchen with island
dining area for 4 (one dining space)
no fireplace!
terrace yes!
double garage and later 1 to 2 outdoor parking spaces
House Design
Who created the design:
- Designer from a construction company
What do you particularly like?
Nice living/dining area with kitchen and transition to the terrace.
What do you dislike and why?
Hallway / circulation area very large. It should be even larger if a staircase to the attic is planned in the entrance or rear area in front of the children's room.
Price estimate per designer: $216,000
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: $260,000
Preferred heating system: geothermal heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details or expansions
- could you give up: possibility of attic expansion, smaller bedroom would be okay
- could you not give up: everything else
Why is the design like it is now? For example,
Design created by the planner after several planning attempts and adjustments
What is the most important/basic question regarding the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are there other floor plans that meet our needs? (Alternatives) Is there enough space in the bathroom for a walk-in (barrier-free) shower? Is the office too narrow? (3.11 x 6.59m (10 x 21.6 ft)) If the attic is to be converted, where could a staircase be placed? Current design is 13m x 16.7m (43 x 55 ft). Would extending it to 13m x 17.7m (43 x 58 ft) affect the appearance negatively? I think it would look too stretched to the rear.
We reserved a plot of land 8 weeks ago and started working on the floor plan. After a few days, we found an initial design that we generally like. Not everything is exactly how we imagine it yet, but I think we are on the right track.
Here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8,813 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100), so 0.5? -> This only applies to auxiliary buildings, right?
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.6
2 full floors
Building envelope, building line and boundary: approx. 13m x 25m (after southeast enough space), see drawing
Minimum garage distance from the street is 5m (16 ft)
Roof type: gable, hip roof
Homeowners’ Requirements
We would like a large bungalow with a hip roof, which fits the development plan. We plan to build without a basement but want a storage room on the property. The roof structure should allow for future expansion. The attic shall be used for storage initially and later as a playroom for the children (storing a slot car track, table football, etc.). We are 4 persons: child 1 is 6 months old, child 2 is 2.5 years old, my wife (35) and I (37). Our family planning is complete. One of the rooms must serve as an office since I work from home. My wife shares the office with me, so it can be a bit larger. We prioritize a single-level design and sufficiently large rooms.
Space requirements: approx. 140m² (1,507 sq ft) net living space excluding circulation and utility room; (gross about 175m² (1,883 sq ft))
Office: for family use and home office
1 overnight guest per year, so no guest room needed
open floor plan
open kitchen with island
dining area for 4 (one dining space)
no fireplace!
terrace yes!
double garage and later 1 to 2 outdoor parking spaces
House Design
Who created the design:
- Designer from a construction company
What do you particularly like?
Nice living/dining area with kitchen and transition to the terrace.
What do you dislike and why?
Hallway / circulation area very large. It should be even larger if a staircase to the attic is planned in the entrance or rear area in front of the children's room.
Price estimate per designer: $216,000
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: $260,000
Preferred heating system: geothermal heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details or expansions
- could you give up: possibility of attic expansion, smaller bedroom would be okay
- could you not give up: everything else
Why is the design like it is now? For example,
Design created by the planner after several planning attempts and adjustments
What is the most important/basic question regarding the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are there other floor plans that meet our needs? (Alternatives) Is there enough space in the bathroom for a walk-in (barrier-free) shower? Is the office too narrow? (3.11 x 6.59m (10 x 21.6 ft)) If the attic is to be converted, where could a staircase be placed? Current design is 13m x 16.7m (43 x 55 ft). Would extending it to 13m x 17.7m (43 x 58 ft) affect the appearance negatively? I think it would look too stretched to the rear.
A large pack of boxes does not make a floor plan. From the entrance, the living room is located in Siberia. Orienting the floor plan and site plan to true north would be helpful.
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Chrisi190621 Jun 2019 23:18The development area is TG3 and the plot is number 10.
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Chrisi190621 Jun 2019 23:3711ant schrieb:
A bulk pack of boxes does not make a floor plan. From the entrance, the living room is located practically in Siberia. Orienting the floor plan and site layout to the north would be helpful. I like the boxes. That means square or rectangular rooms without sloped ceilings or angles.
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Chrisi190621 Jun 2019 23:52Attached is a floor plan including furniture.
Phew. I seriously doubt the house price.
€216,000 for 175sqm (1883 sq ft)... that’s about €1235/sqm (115 sq ft)... while the usual estimate for an average standard house is around €2000/sqm (186 sq ft), plus additional costs. That’s just the pure house price for an energy-saving regulation-compliant home. And we’re talking about a somewhat more expensive segment of a bungalow house. €1600/sqm (149 sq ft) would already be a bargain price.
And honestly, I wonder which general contractor offers these chain dimensioning plans where the windows are measured instead of the rooms. That usually happens with amateurs who don’t fully understand the software and just apply chain dimensioning without any logic.
No, it doesn’t. A bungalow is single-story. But you are allowed both.
Before I write anything off the top of my head, here are some replies first:
The issue with the closed, long corridor: that is not open.
Where do you think these should go? On the terrace?
Sure! Thousands. And most of those will probably be more thoughtfully designed with shorter circulation paths, rectangular children’s rooms, and a clear separation between living and private zones.
If you want to plan barrier-free, it’s not enough just to have a wheelchair-accessible shower. The toilet and washbasin also need sufficient space. Likewise, enough room between bed and wardrobe, as well as for doors. This all needs to be planned and will increase costs.
It is quite long, yes. You can live with it, but it’s not ideal. The dining area could use that space better.
A staircase and its location should be planned from the start. I don’t see space for one in this design.
Why would you want to make it bigger?
You have three rooms plus a corridor that don’t have rectangular shapes.
@11ant already mentioned the reason: the rooms seem to have been arranged without a plan, and somehow three rooms have to be accessed in that last corner.
I totally agree with that.
It’s great that you like the design.
Personally, I would be bothered by the entrance and driveway being planned exactly where you’d probably want to sit in the evenings. The sun is mostly in the southwest and west from afternoon to evening, and that’s where you want to relax after work.
Also, there is no outdoor access from the kitchen to a terrace, which is a drawback. The kitchen layout is unfortunately not ergonomic. The person cooking has a lot of steps to take. Plus, the sofa faces directly into the kitchen, which mostly just has disadvantages.
There is no separation of private rooms here—everything is mixed. You could only place a stairwell in the area of the storage room, and then it would have to be a space-saving staircase.
Basically, I would park the driveway and the carport on the east side. More floor-to-ceiling windows for access to the garden, better natural light, more spatial freedom, and better integration with nature. After all, what is a bungalow for?
Also, install a permanent staircase right away, so you can move the home office upstairs later.
Zone the house into everyday living areas and private rooms. This results in a shorter hallway, positioned centrally.
You need to tell the general contractor about your barrier-free and staircase requirements. And ask them to design a slightly smaller plan with at least about 10sqm (107 sq ft) less hallway space, which should also be better for the price.
Have you already looked at other floor plans?
€216,000 for 175sqm (1883 sq ft)... that’s about €1235/sqm (115 sq ft)... while the usual estimate for an average standard house is around €2000/sqm (186 sq ft), plus additional costs. That’s just the pure house price for an energy-saving regulation-compliant home. And we’re talking about a somewhat more expensive segment of a bungalow house. €1600/sqm (149 sq ft) would already be a bargain price.
And honestly, I wonder which general contractor offers these chain dimensioning plans where the windows are measured instead of the rooms. That usually happens with amateurs who don’t fully understand the software and just apply chain dimensioning without any logic.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
2 full floors
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
We would like a large bungalow with a hip roof, which fits the development plan.
No, it doesn’t. A bungalow is single-story. But you are allowed both.
Before I write anything off the top of my head, here are some replies first:
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
open architecture
The issue with the closed, long corridor: that is not open.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
double garage and later one or two parking spaces
Where do you think these should go? On the terrace?
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Are there perhaps other floor plans that meet our needs?
Sure! Thousands. And most of those will probably be more thoughtfully designed with shorter circulation paths, rectangular children’s rooms, and a clear separation between living and private zones.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Is there enough space in the bathroom for a walk-in shower? (Meaning one that is accessible for wheelchair users)
If you want to plan barrier-free, it’s not enough just to have a wheelchair-accessible shower. The toilet and washbasin also need sufficient space. Likewise, enough room between bed and wardrobe, as well as for doors. This all needs to be planned and will increase costs.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Is the office too narrow? 3.11 x 6.59 sqm
It is quite long, yes. You can live with it, but it’s not ideal. The dining area could use that space better.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
If you want to convert the attic, where could a staircase be placed?
A staircase and its location should be planned from the start. I don’t see space for one in this design.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
If the house is extended to 13m x 17.7m, would you think it would worsen the appearance?
Why would you want to make it bigger?
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
I like boxy shapes. Meaning square or rectangular rooms without sloping ceilings or angles.
You have three rooms plus a corridor that don’t have rectangular shapes.
@11ant already mentioned the reason: the rooms seem to have been arranged without a plan, and somehow three rooms have to be accessed in that last corner.
I totally agree with that.
It’s great that you like the design.
Personally, I would be bothered by the entrance and driveway being planned exactly where you’d probably want to sit in the evenings. The sun is mostly in the southwest and west from afternoon to evening, and that’s where you want to relax after work.
Also, there is no outdoor access from the kitchen to a terrace, which is a drawback. The kitchen layout is unfortunately not ergonomic. The person cooking has a lot of steps to take. Plus, the sofa faces directly into the kitchen, which mostly just has disadvantages.
There is no separation of private rooms here—everything is mixed. You could only place a stairwell in the area of the storage room, and then it would have to be a space-saving staircase.
Basically, I would park the driveway and the carport on the east side. More floor-to-ceiling windows for access to the garden, better natural light, more spatial freedom, and better integration with nature. After all, what is a bungalow for?
Also, install a permanent staircase right away, so you can move the home office upstairs later.
Zone the house into everyday living areas and private rooms. This results in a shorter hallway, positioned centrally.
You need to tell the general contractor about your barrier-free and staircase requirements. And ask them to design a slightly smaller plan with at least about 10sqm (107 sq ft) less hallway space, which should also be better for the price.
Have you already looked at other floor plans?
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