Development Plan / Restrictions
Construction phase plan Hamburg S1O (single-story construction, integrated into surrounding buildings)
Plot size: 712m2 (7,662 sq ft)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5m (16 ft) must remain clear of any construction on the north side
Edge development: no, garage/carport yes
Number of parking spaces: 2
Client Requirements
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: city villa
Orientation: north-south
Fully basement
Number of residents: 2 adults, 1 child, 1 toddler
Guest stays per year: 5-10 overnight stays
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor: 90/80 m2 (970/860 sq ft)
Office: home office
Open floor plan
Rather modern construction style
Open kitchen, cooking island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace to maintain single-story appearance (no roof slopes)
Garage, carport: carport to the side behind the house
House Design
Designer: architect
What do you like most? Open layout, spacious entrance area, staircase, house type
What do you not like? Kitchen (too long and narrow), bedroom/walk-in closet (feels cramped, possibly replace walk-in closet with built-in wardrobe)
Price estimate from architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 700,000€ (without landscaping)
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
If You Have to Give Up Anything, Which Details/Extensions
- Can give up: walk-in closet, pantry
- Cannot give up: open living kitchen, spacious entrance area
Why is the design like this now? First draft based on our spatial requirements
Which wishes were fulfilled by the architect? Size, rooms, openness, no roof slopes, house shape
What is the main/fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
Is the first draft usable? Ideas for kitchen redesign/repositioning? Opinions on the bathroom?
Hello everyone,
We have received the first draft of our new single-family home from the architect.
Personally, we really like the house style visually, since it is a city villa without roof slopes but does not look bulky and fits well into the Hamburg cityscape.
The architect has fulfilled most of our wishes, but the entire kitchen area is definitely still problematic, as it is too narrow and long. Due to the house shape, widening the kitchen is unfortunately not possible without affecting the light-flooded entrance area or making the house wider (which we would prefer but cannot due to the plot’s dimensions, as a 2.75m (9 ft) distance to the boundary has already been planned on both sides). Originally, we planned a pantry accessible through the kitchen front (yes, a somewhat modern convenience) placed on the north side of the kitchen, but this would block the light axis in that area and make the northern side windows redundant.
Furthermore, the bathroom on the upper floor is under discussion. Although we like the idea of a separate toilet, the shower and washbasin area may make the room feel smaller overall, even though it is quite large.
The upper-floor bedroom is also not perfect yet. We wanted a separate walk-in closet, but due to limited space on the upper floor (single-story design without roof slopes), the bedroom feels relatively small and we would prefer it to be a bit more spacious. The children’s rooms are generous enough.
The house has quite a few (somewhat narrow) windows, and we are considering whether fewer but wider windows would make more sense.
This is a first draft developed based on our space requirements. We would very much appreciate your initial impressions to help us decide whether this can be developed further or if we should rethink the design.
If I have forgotten anything above, I will gladly provide more info later.
Thank you very much.
Construction phase plan Hamburg S1O (single-story construction, integrated into surrounding buildings)
Plot size: 712m2 (7,662 sq ft)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5m (16 ft) must remain clear of any construction on the north side
Edge development: no, garage/carport yes
Number of parking spaces: 2
Client Requirements
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: city villa
Orientation: north-south
Fully basement
Number of residents: 2 adults, 1 child, 1 toddler
Guest stays per year: 5-10 overnight stays
Space requirements on ground floor, upper floor: 90/80 m2 (970/860 sq ft)
Office: home office
Open floor plan
Rather modern construction style
Open kitchen, cooking island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace to maintain single-story appearance (no roof slopes)
Garage, carport: carport to the side behind the house
House Design
Designer: architect
What do you like most? Open layout, spacious entrance area, staircase, house type
What do you not like? Kitchen (too long and narrow), bedroom/walk-in closet (feels cramped, possibly replace walk-in closet with built-in wardrobe)
Price estimate from architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 700,000€ (without landscaping)
Preferred heating system: air-to-water heat pump
If You Have to Give Up Anything, Which Details/Extensions
- Can give up: walk-in closet, pantry
- Cannot give up: open living kitchen, spacious entrance area
Why is the design like this now? First draft based on our spatial requirements
Which wishes were fulfilled by the architect? Size, rooms, openness, no roof slopes, house shape
What is the main/fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
Is the first draft usable? Ideas for kitchen redesign/repositioning? Opinions on the bathroom?
Hello everyone,
We have received the first draft of our new single-family home from the architect.
Personally, we really like the house style visually, since it is a city villa without roof slopes but does not look bulky and fits well into the Hamburg cityscape.
The architect has fulfilled most of our wishes, but the entire kitchen area is definitely still problematic, as it is too narrow and long. Due to the house shape, widening the kitchen is unfortunately not possible without affecting the light-flooded entrance area or making the house wider (which we would prefer but cannot due to the plot’s dimensions, as a 2.75m (9 ft) distance to the boundary has already been planned on both sides). Originally, we planned a pantry accessible through the kitchen front (yes, a somewhat modern convenience) placed on the north side of the kitchen, but this would block the light axis in that area and make the northern side windows redundant.
Furthermore, the bathroom on the upper floor is under discussion. Although we like the idea of a separate toilet, the shower and washbasin area may make the room feel smaller overall, even though it is quite large.
The upper-floor bedroom is also not perfect yet. We wanted a separate walk-in closet, but due to limited space on the upper floor (single-story design without roof slopes), the bedroom feels relatively small and we would prefer it to be a bit more spacious. The children’s rooms are generous enough.
The house has quite a few (somewhat narrow) windows, and we are considering whether fewer but wider windows would make more sense.
This is a first draft developed based on our space requirements. We would very much appreciate your initial impressions to help us decide whether this can be developed further or if we should rethink the design.
If I have forgotten anything above, I will gladly provide more info later.
Thank you very much.
derdietmar schrieb:
Katja previously suggested a design with the staircase in the north and a kitchen island. In my opinion, it should move in that direction. You mean west?!
The kitchen island wouldn’t be my choice either. But having one instead of the countertop under the window would probably add more character and be more practical than the current U-shape, where it’s easier to dance in the middle than to cook.
And the issue with the impractical “hidden” door to the pantry—which is said to be the access to the kitchen from the “less attractive” side—is for me just something to check off on Pinterest.
flymac schrieb:
- Access to the kitchen also possible via the hallway and pantry. No one does that if you have to squeeze through a 60 or 70cm (24 or 28 inches) wide cabinet door. I hope you’re not planning this kind of access just because it’s trendy right now. In my opinion, the reality is rather unsatisfactory compared to the alternative with a proper door.Other than that, you mostly stick to the old floor plan. I guess the central—somewhat grandiose—entrance really appeals to you. I can already picture the wide path leading up to it, framed with perfect turf and neatly spaced boxwood spheres on both sides. But fortunately, taste is subjective. In any case, you should take the advice from @11ant and have the rest of the landscaping drawn in. It’s been mentioned several times that 1. it changes the overall appearance and 2. some windows might become problematic.
Conclusion: I would never build like this myself, but I still find the concept acceptable.
K a t j a schrieb:
I suspect you’re drawn to the central entrance, which has a somewhat grand appearance. I can already picture the wide path leading up to it, framed nicely. I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all—in fact, quite the opposite. But I have doubts about the effect when paired with a cramped carport on the side, which no one actually uses due to lack of space. That just doesn’t look elegant anymore. The architect’s house plan definitely doesn’t include the carport. It’s neither shown on the site plan nor in the side elevation. The windows aren’t suitable for it either.
Of course, you could place it in front (there is also an awkwardly drawn rectangle there), but I don’t see a feasible design for that.
I also like the hallway leading into the house itself, but it’s more impressive than what’s behind it. If you invite a friend for coffee, they either have to walk through the living room (unless they squeeze through the pantry), greet the man watching TV, or vice versa, only to end up looking at a large, empty kitchen island or counter. A tall kitchen cabinet wall doesn’t make an impact over 3 meters (10 feet) if there’s only floor space between.
What happens when the postman rings the doorbell? Do you feel like taking a 20-meter (65 feet) walk around the house, get distracted by the fireplace, and then open the door quickly, even though it could have been done in two steps? This ground floor layout is not practical for everyday living. You simply don’t place the most central spot in the house opposite the entrance. That’s just not done.
ypg schrieb:
I don’t think that’s bad at all, quite the opposite. I’m honestly surprised. Basically, I’d prefer having some style rather than none at all. But your liking for the “Schlossallee” style... that does surprise me.
ypg schrieb:
But I doubt the effect of a cramped carport on the side, where no one actually parks due to lack of space. It just doesn’t look refined anymore. The architect definitely didn’t include the carport in the house design. It’s not marked on the site plan, nor in the elevation views. The windows aren’t suitable for it either. Exactly my point. The overall design ends up looking ridiculous when it’s framed by ill-fitting, cramped parking spaces.
K a t j a schrieb:
But I am surprised that you like the "Schlossallee"... Yes, me too. But only with Art Nouveau tiles in black and white. I am partly from Hamburg, after all.
If a raw width of 275 cm (108 inches) is reduced further by half a hedge, reversing four car lengths is no one's idea of fun. The omission of everything that disturbs the architect’s sense of aesthetics is a significant source of frustration. The wallpaper door to the pantry is a joke that quickly wears off and, in daily use, a curse; to me, it also has a bit of the vibe of an Edgar Wallace haunted mansion. Also, it seems to me that the laundry chute is being unjustifiably given the importance of a main axis. The TV position is perfectly optimized to be in the way and to ensure that someone constantly walks in front of the screen. That is a real test of marital harmony during any sports broadcast. I wonder, how does the architect live? In a setup straight out of a glossy interior design magazine?
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