ᐅ Floor Plan for a 160 sqm Single-Family Home – Suggestions for Improvement?
Created on: 15 Sep 2018 19:29
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bbkhacki
Development Plan
Development Plan: Yes, available.
Restrictions: Knee wall height (0.8 m; 1.3 m stated in building inquiry), roof pitch (25-38°, dormers from 35° onwards), plastered facade with fine-grain plaster
Plot size: 1049 sqm (11,293 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (general residential area)
Floor area ratio: 1.2 (general residential area)
Building envelope, building line, and boundary:
Edge development:
Number of parking spaces:
Number of floors:
Roof type: Gable roof
Architectural style: ?
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: ?
Other requirements: ?
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: Swedish log house
Basement, floors: 1.5 floors with basement
Number of occupants, age: currently 2 persons (both 29) + 1 child from March 2019
Room requirements on ground and upper floors: see floor plan
Office: to be used as a home office and, if needed, as a guest room (sofa bed)
Overnight guests per year: approx. 10
Open or closed architecture: still open, tendency towards open architecture
Conservative or modern design: conservative, Swedish house
Open kitchen, kitchen island:
Number of dining seats: 6 (extendable table; then 8-10 seats)
Fireplace: yes, masonry stove or fireplace in the living room
Music/stereo wall: no need
Balcony, roof terrace: no need
Garage, carport: 2 parking spaces as carport on east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: vegetable patch and possibly a small greenhouse in the garden later
House Design
Designer: So far self-designed, based on show homes and catalogs.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no estimate yet
Personal price limit for house including fixtures: 350,000-400,000 (plot already owned)
Preferred heating system: district heating
The current draft was created based on various show homes and manufacturer catalogs. What I liked well in the show homes has been incorporated into the floor plan. For example, the bathroom design in a T-shape; shower and toilet are hidden left and right behind the T. Unfortunately, my current drawing tool does not allow furnishing. I have to print the plans and add furniture layouts by hand. A furnished floor plan will follow.
I think the floor plan shows the intended rooms and the desired space requirements.
I hope this now provides a better working basis!
Development Plan: Yes, available.
Restrictions: Knee wall height (0.8 m; 1.3 m stated in building inquiry), roof pitch (25-38°, dormers from 35° onwards), plastered facade with fine-grain plaster
Plot size: 1049 sqm (11,293 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (general residential area)
Floor area ratio: 1.2 (general residential area)
Building envelope, building line, and boundary:
Edge development:
Number of parking spaces:
Number of floors:
Roof type: Gable roof
Architectural style: ?
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: ?
Other requirements: ?
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: Swedish log house
Basement, floors: 1.5 floors with basement
Number of occupants, age: currently 2 persons (both 29) + 1 child from March 2019
Room requirements on ground and upper floors: see floor plan
Office: to be used as a home office and, if needed, as a guest room (sofa bed)
Overnight guests per year: approx. 10
Open or closed architecture: still open, tendency towards open architecture
Conservative or modern design: conservative, Swedish house
Open kitchen, kitchen island:
Number of dining seats: 6 (extendable table; then 8-10 seats)
Fireplace: yes, masonry stove or fireplace in the living room
Music/stereo wall: no need
Balcony, roof terrace: no need
Garage, carport: 2 parking spaces as carport on east side
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: vegetable patch and possibly a small greenhouse in the garden later
House Design
Designer: So far self-designed, based on show homes and catalogs.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no estimate yet
Personal price limit for house including fixtures: 350,000-400,000 (plot already owned)
Preferred heating system: district heating
The current draft was created based on various show homes and manufacturer catalogs. What I liked well in the show homes has been incorporated into the floor plan. For example, the bathroom design in a T-shape; shower and toilet are hidden left and right behind the T. Unfortunately, my current drawing tool does not allow furnishing. I have to print the plans and add furniture layouts by hand. A furnished floor plan will follow.
I think the floor plan shows the intended rooms and the desired space requirements.
I hope this now provides a better working basis!
Your budget is a bit tight. Something will have to go.
With a child, there is less time for hobbies.
The idea that babies only sleep in the beginning is a myth.
Really consider whether you might want to have an above-ground room. Daylight is especially nice at a workbench.
With a child, there is less time for hobbies.
The idea that babies only sleep in the beginning is a myth.
Really consider whether you might want to have an above-ground room. Daylight is especially nice at a workbench.
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Obstlerbaum21 Sep 2018 17:10bbkhacki schrieb:
A basement is almost a must-have since I have hobbies that require a lot of space. Brewing equipment, fishing gear, woodworking shop, and maybe soon even a game meat storage room... I would have to build much bigger to manage without a basement.
[From one preference discussion about open space vs. no open space straight into the basement vs. no basement debate. I hope we can get back to the main topic now?]
I have a quote for a log house with 160 sqm (1720 sq ft) for around €270,000 (including electrical and heating). That would leave €130,000 for additional construction costs and the basement if I assume a budget of €400,000. Hobbies are of course a reason, but for my woodworking shop I made sure to have daylight for a nice atmosphere. Regarding the mentioned €270k for a 160 sqm (1720 sq ft) house – what stage of completion is that? Or how does the provider call it? Sounds like a lot of work done by yourself.
Concerning the cost estimate: for a reasonably nice single-family house (turnkey) I would expect to budget €2,500–3,000 per square meter of living space in Bavaria.
Move-in ready with some own work can be done for under 2,500. However, you’ll need to specify everything with a very tight budget.
Even if you manage to hit the magic 2,000 mark,
the cost for 160 m² (1,725 sq ft) already comes to 320,000 plus basement plus garage plus additional construction costs.
Don’t ask about the landscaping costs. Even if you do it all yourself, 10,000 won’t get you very far. Your plot is not exactly small.
How do we judge this?
We are all further along in the building process than you. We know how quickly another 1,000 can disappear.
We’ve been active here for a longer time and read threads like these, among others:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/warum-ein-Hausbau-fast-immer-teurer-kommt-als-kalkuliert.16237/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/liste-der-anfallenden-Baunebenkosten-bauseits-teurer.9737/
There was another one somewhere:
Why was additional financing needed? Or something like that.
Then also these:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Bauvorhaben-Budget-gesprengt.28751/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/baukostenentwicklung-noch-normal.28743/
Here, everyone compromised because the wish/dream could not be realized within the budget.
For us, the house from the foundation slab accounted for about two-thirds of the costs.
Foundation slab, garage, landscaping are real heavy hitters, then there are also many small items:
road closure, construction power supply, relocating the light pole, and so on.
Even if you manage to hit the magic 2,000 mark,
the cost for 160 m² (1,725 sq ft) already comes to 320,000 plus basement plus garage plus additional construction costs.
Don’t ask about the landscaping costs. Even if you do it all yourself, 10,000 won’t get you very far. Your plot is not exactly small.
How do we judge this?
We are all further along in the building process than you. We know how quickly another 1,000 can disappear.
We’ve been active here for a longer time and read threads like these, among others:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/warum-ein-Hausbau-fast-immer-teurer-kommt-als-kalkuliert.16237/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/liste-der-anfallenden-Baunebenkosten-bauseits-teurer.9737/
There was another one somewhere:
Why was additional financing needed? Or something like that.
Then also these:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Bauvorhaben-Budget-gesprengt.28751/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/baukostenentwicklung-noch-normal.28743/
Here, everyone compromised because the wish/dream could not be realized within the budget.
For us, the house from the foundation slab accounted for about two-thirds of the costs.
Foundation slab, garage, landscaping are real heavy hitters, then there are also many small items:
road closure, construction power supply, relocating the light pole, and so on.
South schrieb:
You can see that open spaces or galleries are not really appreciated here.South schrieb:
My point was only about the dogma that a gallery = bad or only feasible from 250 sqm (about 2,700 sq ft) upwards.That’s not true. I have also criticized the open space concept, but I have one myself. First plan the necessary rooms, then the nice-to-haves! And yes, it’s very noisy. I already knew that from my parents’ house, but since we don’t have children living with us, the adults naturally take care to be considerate. In a family of four, there are certainly more contrasts in daily routines.
bbkhacki schrieb:
I would gladly develop this new design further in the forum as soon as I have it.We are looking forward to hearing from you. Hardly anyone here gets left hanging if there is something to discuss.
bbkhacki schrieb:
Maybe as an alternative, a small extension that is open up to the roof could create the desired feeling of open space. I just really like it when rooms are open up to the roof slope.You can simply open the rooms under the roof upwards. The additional cost isn’t too high.
bbkhacki schrieb:
Brewery system, fishing equipment, woodworking shop, and maybe soon even a game storage room...You’re planning two children’s rooms and building on a plot over 1,000 sqm (about 12,000 sq ft). I can imagine you might not have time for one or more hobbies anymore. Garden and related tasks already take up several hours a week. Plus the children, of course. Just a thought.
If I were you, I would plan a nice wooden extension or garden shed. Start setting aside money for it now. All the basement offers you’ve seen are generally for an empty, unfinished basement without stairs or flooring.
bbkhacki schrieb:
I have an offer for a log house with 160 sqm (about 1,700 sq ft) for around €270,000 (including electrical and heating). That would leave €130,000 for additional building costs and basement if I assume a budget of €400,000.Which level of finish is included? Also sanitary fixtures? Toilet and shower? You should also budget another €20,000–40,000 for equipment like controlled ventilation, sockets, and floor coverings. And then there’s the basement (finishing) as well.
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