Hello everyone,
Here are our requirements:
- Staircase not directly at the entrance (not the typical quarter-turn staircase with the first step right at the entrance area)
- Home office on the ground floor
- Living, dining, and kitchen arranged in an L-shape
- Utility room on the ground floor
- 2 children’s bedrooms, preferably facing the garden and therefore to the south
- Each children’s bedroom with 2 windows, not just 1
- 1 master bedroom, with a walk-in closet if possible
- 1 bathroom on the upper floor, no second separate children’s bathroom
The attached drawings should be understood as sketches, meaning that the general contractor will adjust them to the next standard structural module. The window arrangements are also not yet finalized to the centimeter. The current plan is for the entrance door and an adjacent side panel to be the same size as the window above, creating symmetry.
The staircase is designed with 17 risers (i.e., 16 steps) and, with a tread depth of 28cm (11 inches), covers a height difference of 297.5cm (117 inches) (17 x 17.5cm (7 inches)). Depending on the top floor construction and thickness of the intermediate ceiling, this should work; otherwise, some millimeter-level adjustments per riser may be necessary.
Two full stories, hipped roof with a 25-degree pitch. The attic will be accessible via a retractable attic ladder. Roof overhang is 50cm (20 inches) all around.
Here are our requirements:
- Staircase not directly at the entrance (not the typical quarter-turn staircase with the first step right at the entrance area)
- Home office on the ground floor
- Living, dining, and kitchen arranged in an L-shape
- Utility room on the ground floor
- 2 children’s bedrooms, preferably facing the garden and therefore to the south
- Each children’s bedroom with 2 windows, not just 1
- 1 master bedroom, with a walk-in closet if possible
- 1 bathroom on the upper floor, no second separate children’s bathroom
The attached drawings should be understood as sketches, meaning that the general contractor will adjust them to the next standard structural module. The window arrangements are also not yet finalized to the centimeter. The current plan is for the entrance door and an adjacent side panel to be the same size as the window above, creating symmetry.
The staircase is designed with 17 risers (i.e., 16 steps) and, with a tread depth of 28cm (11 inches), covers a height difference of 297.5cm (117 inches) (17 x 17.5cm (7 inches)). Depending on the top floor construction and thickness of the intermediate ceiling, this should work; otherwise, some millimeter-level adjustments per riser may be necessary.
Two full stories, hipped roof with a 25-degree pitch. The attic will be accessible via a retractable attic ladder. Roof overhang is 50cm (20 inches) all around.
More or less a jumbled mix:
Overall, though, it’s much better.
- I would swap the walk-in closet and the bedroom. 70 cm (28 inches) clearance all around might work – but obviously a bit more would be nicer.
- 2.15 m (7 feet) for the walk-in closet is too little for two rows of wardrobes – you’ll still want to be able to take out and look at your clothes comfortably...
- I still find the extension in Bedroom 2 awkward, but it seems like a necessary compromise.
- I don’t really like the couch fixed facing the TV – you’d want to occasionally look outside as well – but you’re not alone in that (it’s quite common).
- The toilet behind the door in the upstairs bathroom doesn’t appeal to me either.
- Having the coat rack behind the front door isn’t ideal… everyone has to wait until all are inside.
- Our planner once said he would allow 1.13 m (3 feet 8.9 inches) for the door and frame (unclear if this always applies).
- There is no storage space for the vacuum cleaner and similar items upstairs.
Overall, though, it’s much better.
BeHaElJa schrieb:
More or less mixed up:
I would swap the walk-in closet and the bedroom. 70 cm (28 inches) clearance all around should be possible – although a bit more would naturally be nicer. I’ll try swapping them.
2.15 m (7 ft) for the walk-in closet is too little for two rows of wardrobes – you want to be able to take clothes out and look at them as well… 60 + 60 + 95 = 215.
How much do you think would be better?
I still find the narrow space in K2 unfortunate, but I guess there’s no perfect solution. An alternative there would be a gallery or something similar. But on one hand, we don’t need that; on the other, it would be a wasted space. I’m thinking a comfortable chair with a great view of the garden would also work well there. As I’ve mentioned before, the individual design of the kids’ rooms depends a lot on their hobbies later on. If a child becomes a bookworm, for example, it could be a wonderful reading corner.
I don’t like the sofa being positioned rigidly facing the TV either – you want to be able to look outside sometimes – but well, you’re in good company with that (it’s often seen). It’s a realistic approach. Many say the living room isn’t just for watching TV, and they purposely don’t orient the sofa toward the TV, then end up twisting around awkwardly. For board games or similar activities, there’s the proper table where you can sit comfortably.
I also don’t like the toilet being right behind the door in the upstairs bathroom. Why not?
A coat rack behind the front door isn’t ideal… everyone has to wait until everyone is inside. I’m not 100 percent sure about that yet. But if you change the door swing, then everyone says the person coming from the toilet has to wait and can’t pass through, or the person coming from upstairs does.
Our planner once said he wants a door and frame width of 1.13 m (3 ft 8 inches) (not sure if that always applies). 1.135 m (3 ft 8.75 inches) rough opening for the door, right? There’s still plenty of space on the floor plan to finalize the exact position plus the glass side panel.
There is no room upstairs for storing a vacuum cleaner and similar items. Walk-in closet
(let’s see what my wife says)
Storage space is definitely always necessary, but whether we’ll actually buy two vacuum cleaners just because we have two floors… that’s not really planned yet. So the vacuum cleaner will find its place in the utility room. My parents clean four floors with only one vacuum cleaner.
Don’t forget that there will still be 3 cm (1.2 inches) of plaster added. So if you want it to be really comfortable, then 1.2 m (4 feet) would be better. Alternatively, you could maybe include a 40 cm (16 inch) row of shelves or something similar – then 1 m (3.3 feet) would be sufficient. So either 2.23 m (7 feet 4 inches) or 2.43 m (8 feet) as the minimum.
You’re generally right – alternatively, a storage room wouldn’t be bad – but then the K2 room becomes quite a bit smaller.
Regarding the toilet? It’s more of a feeling than something scientifically proven.
No, 1.13 m (3 feet 8.5 inches) for interior doors – you only have 1.05 m (3 feet 5.5 inches) for the hobby room (hence the comment).
Hiding the vacuum cleaner in the walk-in closet is probably only so-so, in my opinion.
The coat rack area is tricky… but I also know some houses where it’s just behind the door – people still manage fine. Whether the niche needs to be 65 cm (25.5 inches) is another question – usually, people tend to have coat hooks and a shoe rack rather than a full cabinet. Maybe access to the utility room could be through the kitchen? Tricky situation.
You’re generally right – alternatively, a storage room wouldn’t be bad – but then the K2 room becomes quite a bit smaller.
Regarding the toilet? It’s more of a feeling than something scientifically proven.
No, 1.13 m (3 feet 8.5 inches) for interior doors – you only have 1.05 m (3 feet 5.5 inches) for the hobby room (hence the comment).
Hiding the vacuum cleaner in the walk-in closet is probably only so-so, in my opinion.
The coat rack area is tricky… but I also know some houses where it’s just behind the door – people still manage fine. Whether the niche needs to be 65 cm (25.5 inches) is another question – usually, people tend to have coat hooks and a shoe rack rather than a full cabinet. Maybe access to the utility room could be through the kitchen? Tricky situation.
A standard interior door is usually 86cm (34 inches) according to DIN, with a 90cm (35.5 inches) wall opening and a 96cm (38 inches) outer frame including the trim.
Regarding the toilet: We do lock it, in case that’s a concern. No, I don’t want anyone hopping around in the bathroom either, so the toilet is positioned so it’s not immediately visible when you enter, and there are no issues with door collisions if that is a concern.
Regarding the toilet: We do lock it, in case that’s a concern. No, I don’t want anyone hopping around in the bathroom either, so the toilet is positioned so it’s not immediately visible when you enter, and there are no issues with door collisions if that is a concern.
Here is a quick swap of the upper floor with the bedroom and walk-in closet switched. I did a brief search online for beds. These box spring beds generally don’t need a frame, so a 180x200 cm (71x79 inches) bed is actually very close to those dimensions. There are definitely plenty under 185 cm (73 inches). I have now planned for 185x220 cm (73x87 inches), meaning a headboard like that. Oh, and these box spring beds are said to be more comfortable than regular beds.
The walk-in closet has almost 5 meters (16 feet) of wardrobe space, floor to ceiling, and 1.20 meters (47 inches) up to the window. And with floor-to-ceiling height in the walk-in closet, you can really use the full height. There should definitely be some storage space. For smaller items, there’s also the attic.
The walk-in closet has almost 5 meters (16 feet) of wardrobe space, floor to ceiling, and 1.20 meters (47 inches) up to the window. And with floor-to-ceiling height in the walk-in closet, you can really use the full height. There should definitely be some storage space. For smaller items, there’s also the attic.
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